The Joe Rogan Experience - #869 - Dave Rubin Transcript and Discussion (2024)

Starting point is 00:00:00 And we're live. Dave Rubin, what a time to be alive. Joe, I am so excited to be here because you could have selected anybody. I mean, it ends tomorrow. It does end tomorrow. Supposedly. Allegedly. Unless, uh, maybe Jill Stein wins? No, no, I'm talking about the world I mean, it is over I don't mean the election I mean, the whole game is up tomorrow You could have had anybody You're a pretty powerful guy

Starting point is 00:00:31 Powerful Joe Rogan Well, I enjoy your company, sir Well, I appreciate that But think of all the philosophers you could have had The thinkers, the artists Too much work Instead, you went with me for the last show So I'm going to bring it

Starting point is 00:00:42 I have notes I busted out the notepad Well, I believe the end of the world is tomorrow So you're the preview to the end of the world. So I feel like you're gonna offer some well, hopefully we're together We're gonna offer some perspective and we're gonna get a look at this thing. Yeah. Well, I already pounded two of these bad boys So I am ready to f*cking think of 270 milligrams of caffeine Well, it's in a small can, so I thought it was... It seems like. It seems small.

Starting point is 00:01:07 But if it was that much acid, think about what it would do to you. You really have to think about it that way. Yeah, I did acid once. Yeah? Only one time. I did it once last week. Yeah, did you really do it last time? Yeah?

Starting point is 00:01:17 I've done it three times. I only did it this year for the first time, but I've done it three times this year. Really? Yeah. And you feel like all the doors, the hinges of the brain, they're still going because i don't know if they were any good at all before i think i'm gluing them up it's like caulk for my brain yeah i did i shroom many times you know over the years i did acid once did not like it at all every time i close my eyes these like three-dimensional triangles flying at me like could not you know when you just can't stop your

Starting point is 00:01:44 brain like i felt that there was no end to it. Shrooms, it's always very natural and nice and pleasant. I haven't done them in a while. The concern is the potency of acid. I heard it described by Terrence McKenna as molecularly, if you looked at it in scale, it's something the size of an ant

Starting point is 00:02:00 that can break down the Empire State building in 30 minutes. That's a bit much for me at this point. You know what I mean? I turned 40 this year. I don't need to break down the Empire State Building or any other building at this point. Now it's really about keeping the mental faculties I have, adding in a little more occasionally and going from there.

Starting point is 00:02:20 Yeah. But you know what I mean? You have to function, right? You have a show, you're doing comedy, all the stuff. At some point, the expansion of the mind is like, I still got to be on Earth, you know? If you're going to do the show, you definitely have to be there. Yeah. You have to be there. But Duncan and I did a show on Acid.

Starting point is 00:02:37 We did our last podcast with full disclosure. We were on Acid during our last podcast. Sweet Jesus. Yeah. I'm sitting in a room sober with these people. Well, it's less is expected of me, I think, than you. You're expected to be rational. But being a stand-up comedian slash cage fighting commentator, you get a lot of wiggle room.

Starting point is 00:02:58 Yeah. Yeah. You can say some pretty stupid sh*t. Yeah. People go, ah, it's who he is. Probably got hit in the head. Exactly. Yeah. People go, ah, it's who he is. Probably got hit in the head. Exactly. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:03:06 Exactly. So, you know, obviously we're going to do election, but there's a couple updates. So I haven't been here in about a year, a little more than a year. A couple things I want to tell you before we start. Yeah, tell me. What's going on? So first off, so I got a house last week, not too far from here. Building a home studio.

Starting point is 00:03:20 I'm very excited. That's so awesome. My fans are funding it, which is amazing. Oh, nice. So a ton of stuff has happened since last but i told you last time that i would know that i've hit a certain level of success when i'm not sitting on an ikea couch right i did not have ikea stuff around me everywhere now i did bring all the ikea stuff but i made one purchase for the new house only one

Starting point is 00:03:42 purchase you got a real couch i got a real couch that purchase. You got a real couch? I got a real couch. That's nice. I got a real couch. I mean, I'm talking people delivered it and I didn't have to put it together. I didn't even know that that was a thing. That they come put together. Did you know that? Yeah, that Ikea stuff is bullsh*t.

Starting point is 00:03:58 If you just charge $10 more and put it together, everybody would probably cost more than $10, though, right? Isn't that the whole thing? It costs more than $10, though. Yeah. For them to put it together for you? Well, Ikea, do they put it together for you? Will they do that? They will, but it's going to be more than $10, though, right? Isn't that the whole thing? It costs more than $10, though. Yeah. For them to put it together for you? Well, Ikea, do they put it together for you? Will they do that? They will, but it's going to be more than $10.

Starting point is 00:04:09 I don't even mind putting it together. It was just time for me not to have to put together furniture. I put a desk together once, and it's, you know, I was like, I forget if it had an estimate of how much time it took, but it took me four f*cking hours. Were you on acid? Was this an acid situation? No, I was totally sober. That would be something.

Starting point is 00:04:25 Screwdriver and sh*t. Ikea assembly on acid. I bet you'd do it better. You'd figure out. Was it Doc Willis, the guy who pitched a no-hitter on acid? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was f*cked up all day. He was doing acid, and then he got the call and didn't know he was supposed to play that day.

Starting point is 00:04:39 And it's like, oh, no. They want me to play today? And think about it. He got his sh*t together. Forget just pitching. Just imagine getting your sh*t together, getting there. Just that in and of itself. Well, it depends on, I guess, your biological makeup, how it hits you.

Starting point is 00:04:53 Because I know a lot of friends who just can't smoke pot. It just doesn't work with them. And with me, it works great. It's my favorite. You like Indica or Sativa or hybrid? I prefer Sativaiva but if someone's passed around the indica joint i don't say no see all my comic friends like sativa i like indica because for me at this point and i guess this goes back to the doors in the mind thing like i don't

Starting point is 00:05:15 want to think anymore if i'm smoking i don't smoke pot to think or to write or anything i smoke pot because it's 11 30 at night and i'm gonna to take one puff and watch a Seinfeld that I've seen 3000 times already or a Simpsons that I've seen three. And that's it. You know what I mean? Like I don't need, I don't smoke to like, like all my comic books, I have smoking right or like, no. So it's a decompressing agent for you.

Starting point is 00:05:37 Purely. Yeah. Purely. Yeah. Well, you know, people get real wary when you start talking about pot or acid or even alcohol because there's a lot of people that everyone knows that have kind of f*cked their life up doing that. But 35,000 people die driving every year. It doesn't stop us from driving.

Starting point is 00:05:56 Obviously, if you're doing acid, most likely you're not going to kill somebody else. So it's the responsibility of driving. You could jump out a window like Helen Hunt. Did did you ever see that infomer that kids thing they showed it at high school they showed in high school when I was growing up I think it was Helen hi you know what I'm talking about they know that that educational video where they showed these high school kids and it's Helen hunt is like a 15 year old and she's on acid and she jumps out a window and breaks the window it just kills herself at that's a f*cking old Bill Hicks bit.

Starting point is 00:06:25 Remember that Bill Hicks bit? Young man on acid, thought he could fly, jumps off a building. What a tragedy. He goes, what a dick. He thought he could fly. Why didn't he try taking off from the ground first? He goes, we lost a moron. Man, we need a Hicks.

Starting point is 00:06:39 Don't we need a Hicks? Every day, I wake up and I go, man, I wish we had Carlin still. Because we still, you know, obviously there's plenty of good comics out there. And there's so much. There's such a breadth of stuff to talk about. You know how many times that's been said before? A lot. That's Paul Reiser.

Starting point is 00:06:59 It's on his business card, I think. He wakes up in the middle of the night. No! It's over. It's over. What the hell was I talking about? Acid? No. People dying? I think he wakes up in the middle like no What the hell was I talking about acid no people dying no We moved on all the good comics there was something there. Oh Ellen Carlin that just Imagine what George Carlin would be going through if he lived right now in the politically correct age We live in if you took any of his old stuff

Starting point is 00:07:23 He would be being attacked by all sides but dare I say he'd be attacked more by the left these days I've heard the sh*t that he would be talking about saying about women or about minorities or anything you know it's so it's such a shame the way things have turned well yeah he had some mean stuff that I think like I remember this one bit that he had that even at the time I was like whoa it was like anorexia he's like dumb rich c*nt doesn't want to eat. f*cker. But we need that now.

Starting point is 00:07:50 That's the point. You know what I mean? It's not, he wasn't saying the specific girl who may have anorexia that you know. Right, but if your daughter died from anorexia and you heard that, you'd be like, whoa, man. Yeah, you would. You would. That would upset you at that moment. And then you know what?

Starting point is 00:08:03 Life goes on. You know? Well, George Carlin, there was one issue with Carlin. And that one issue was that he had a plan to do a whole new hour every year. And so he would put together this hour and he didn't work out at comedy clubs either. He would just sort of write it and then go and perform it and you know do little tweaks here and there but that doing that one hour every year like you don't have enough time to like you can't sit around and go hmm i wonder if this is a good bit you know i wonder am i committed to this because i believe in it like if i explored all the possibilities and all the ways that this is going to be interpreted is this the most effective way to convey that idea yeah you know but he was also so so loved and so awesome that

Starting point is 00:08:51 he just wanted to shock the sh*t out of people that was half of it was like he was tired of all this talk about anorexia and you know maybe if he was alive today and you were talking to him about it he would he would change his opinion on that bit yeah i look i'm sure if we went back in the however many years you've been doing stand up, there are things that you've said. They're probably sticking to my guns. That's probably things you said last week. Last night. sh*t. Always.

Starting point is 00:09:15 But we need that idea of people just saying sh*t and letting it upset people and other people are gonna laugh at it we so desperately need it now because it has led the the inability to do that these days has led to everything that's happening in our country right now well related to politics and media and everything you're right there's a blowback right massive if you go too far left the the alt-right emerges yeah and I think the more loony we get in terms of like gender pronouns there there's 58 now, by the way, it's 58 gender pronouns. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:48 I didn't check the internet this morning. I think they only recognize 31 in New York that you could be sued $250,000 for or you find if you're, what if it's f*cking fiasco? It's wonderful. It's wonderful. We're going to look back at this and laugh. As long as you're not one of the person who gets fined $250,000.

Starting point is 00:10:03 And I don't think anybody's ever been hit with that yet. I think that's more like horsesh*t. But it's not even about the fine as much as what it does to us as people. That it puts the idea in your mind. Look, if I was walking down the street and I saw a guy and I said, hey, how you doing, man? And then I realized it was a woman i would kind of feel bad but that's life like that's life we're trying to through words and trickery and and now legal means we're trying to dumb everyone down to the point that we can't even think for ourselves if you

Starting point is 00:10:36 look at somebody and you think they're a man and you say dude that's not evil right you know what i mean and and not every person that, transitions perfectly and someone might be in the middle of it or whatever. And, you know, or there might just be a guy who looks like there's guys that look like women and there's women that look like guys. You know what's ironic about this is it's not really a trans issue because if you talk to trans people, most women who transition to men want to be called men. And most men who transition to women want to be called men. And most men who transition to women want to be called women.

Starting point is 00:11:05 Like they assume gender pronouns. Like a guy who becomes a woman wants to use he or wants to use she or her. Right. So it's not them. It's just nonsense is what it is. And it's nonsense that comes out of universities. It's this weird Marxism thing that's going on. It's this very strange leftist bullying.

Starting point is 00:11:26 It's so deranged. I went to, I know you've had Milo on here, and he's become like this cultural thing. It's like he's sort of become something beyond himself at this point. Well, it's the Streisand effect. Yeah. They keep silencing him. And when you silence a guy who, first of all, what they silenced him for was so unwarranted. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:11:50 Because when you remove someone on Twitter for just a harmless joke that's very similar to the jokes that Leslie Jones makes about her own self, she's got a goddamn commercial where she pulls up, a Geico commercial, I think it is. What is that commercial where she pulls up to someone? I don't know what it is. But she pulls up to a guy, she's like, you want my number? Yeah. And the guy's like, get the f*ck out of here. It's like an obvious joke

Starting point is 00:12:06 about her being unattractive. And she's perpetrating that joke. That is what it is. Yeah. I mean, if you do that same joke with, you know,

Starting point is 00:12:14 fill in the blank, what's that girl, Sofia Vergara or something like that, the joke doesn't work. Makes no sense. She's hot as f*ck. Right.

Starting point is 00:12:19 And the guy would be like, oh yeah. But when Leslie Jones does it, the reason why that joke works is because they're implying that she's unattractive. So all Milo said is something about her being a man or looking like a man or something like that. And that was enough. Well, what's particularly interesting about what happened to him is that they claimed, I think, when Twitter finally said a little something about it, that it was because of targeted harassment.

Starting point is 00:12:40 That Milo had unleashed his followers on her. Now, first off, you're not, you don't control all your followers. You know what I mean? If you got into a fight with somebody, if Joe Rogan got into a fight with somebody on Twitter, you can't control what your followers do. Yeah. And so that's number one. Number two, she, she had done that before.

Starting point is 00:12:58 There are instances people had screen captured things where she had gotten into fights with trolley type people, not public people and said guys get them so she had actually instigated mobs but it's okay for for all the politically correct reasons it's okay when she does it well not only had she done that she had said things about white people like specifically like white people you know and like specifically mocking white people or saying things about white people where it's like you can't do that the other way and then the you know there's this also this very bizarre thing that people keep saying is that black people can't be racist against white people because racism only works when someone's in a position of power guess f*cking what if you have millions of followers and you're super famous and you say things about you know any person, you have a position of power.

Starting point is 00:13:45 Not only does she have a position of power, but she think how much by that fight happening, she got more powerful. Her star rose. Yeah. So by damaging free speech, whether you like Milo or not, she then elevated her own status. I actually, I've never interacted with her. I've never even seen Ghostbusters. I don't even watch SNL. I don't even know what she's really done or anything about her.

Starting point is 00:14:06 But when the whole thing was going down, I went to tweet at her to say, come on my show. I like Milo, but I'm all about free speech. I'd love to have you on. She has me blocked. She blocked you? I don't know. It's like a mass block thing. Maybe you block people associated with Milo or something.

Starting point is 00:14:19 But the point is, I have nothing against her in any way. We're just talking about this specific thing. And I was going to invite her on my show and it's like well well you're a nice guy that's so cowardly it's so foolish i and i like leslie i think she's funny as hell i think she's hilarious i even enjoyed her in ghostbusters although milo is correct most of that movie was a piece of sh*t yeah i thought the movie started out really funny but what he was saying was that it was like it was a ridiculous feminist version of ghostbusters where all the men are complete buffoons and failures and all the women save the day and it just wasn't a good movie it wasn't well designed and it was sort of a kind of a slap in

Starting point is 00:14:55 the face to men and that was his whole commentary on it was very eloquently written maybe a little bit bitchy but that's his whole thing. It certainly wasn't targeted harassment. It was a review of art. Yeah. Well, look, the point is that even if he had been harassing her and said, guys, get her. First off, it's just Twitter. It's just Twitter. But if he did do that, I could understand them saying, we don't want our platform used for that. Sure. So that's up to their terms of service. So there's obviously a difference between, of course, the First Amendment, which is the government stopping you from speaking, and what a private company can do

Starting point is 00:15:26 Yeah, ironically though all these people on the left that were thrilled or had no problem with Milo being banned They're the same people that wanted to force that Baker in Indiana to bake the cake for the gay wedding Yeah, they're okay with private companies doing things when it's the things that they want them to do like get rid of a Conservative right, but they wanted to force that i'm gay married right so i wouldn't force that baker to do it why you know what's f*cked up why would i want the government why would i want the government to say you have to do something with your private business no i'll go to another f*cking baker of course and not only that that's that wasn't an organic situation they set that up they went specifically and targeted bakers to try to make a case for this.

Starting point is 00:16:05 Right. And then they went to a Christian baker and finally found one who said no. Yeah. And that was the one they went after. You know, I mean, look, I don't agree with that guy not being able to make that cake. I feel like you shouldn't go and do business at that guy's place if that's the kind of person he is. But what they're doing is they're trying to target that guy. But would you want the government? No force him to do?

Starting point is 00:16:25 No, well, I would write I think the market should dictate whether or not someone does I mean, I think alerting people is a good thing Absolutely, but having the government dictate that these people have to make that cake. That's kind of that's kind of crazy So that's the that's what's happened to the left. Basically. The left has gone from liberalism using logic and thinking and an information basically to make decisions, to inform your decisions. And usually liberals err on the side of the other. So in this case, they're trying to, they think they're protecting the gays so that, right? Like we want gays to get cakes where everyone else gets cakes. So we're going to help the gays. But what they've done is all they're doing is expanding state power.

Starting point is 00:17:04 They're extending, expanding control. Let the market decide sure you want to you want to use your free speech protest outside tweet about it say don't go there there's a baker two right two blocks over go especially if you're gay you know use your use your money wisely support people that support your community of course that's a but that's a thing for everything that's for rude people that's for you know for assholes for people who are sh*tty to you, for people who are, you know, it's just for people who rip you off. I mean, it's kind of along the same lines. Let the market decide. Let the market decide.

Starting point is 00:17:34 Of course, if you don't like Joe's show, you don't like Ruben's show, you don't watch. Don't watch. Tell people that you don't like it. There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, and that's quite all right. But don't try to shut us down. Don't try to go to YouTube and strike us or whatever other thing there is. But that's what the left is doing this now.

Starting point is 00:17:50 And that's why I talk about the left all the time. Because I'm liberal and I'm watching my guys ban speakers. I'm watching my guys de-platform people. I'm watching my guys try to close restaurants. And it's like now you're moralizing the same way you've mocked the Christian right for all these years. Yeah. It's just, it gets to a point where you wonder if it's going to swing back the other way. I've been saying for a while. We'll find out tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And that creates tomorrow. I've been saying for a while that I think Caitlyn Jenner created Donald Trump. Not really, but

Starting point is 00:18:21 created this thing. I mean, I think there was a thing there was a tipping point and for me It was when they gave her woman of the year and glamour magazine and then ESPN gave her ath Athlete of the year yeah and remember that ridiculous thing that they did where they circled her house with a Helicopter and she was hiding behind the curtains and it was all mysterious like what in the f*ck are you selling? Like what is this and for people at home that are like in indiana they're drinking beer and they like football and they went to watch the espies to see you know like who won best quarterback of the year

Starting point is 00:18:53 and they're seeing that kind of sh*t they're like what the f*ck is this we need to make america great again yes you know i never linked it that specifically but i think you're totally right even right now when i've been watching you know, NBA season just started and I love basketball. Every time I turn on TNT now, it's Barkley and Kenny Smith and Shaq and Ernie Johnson talking about race. They're not talking about basketball. They're talking about race. They're talking about policing. Those are all important issues to talk about, but people go to sports for the release. They go to sports because they care about the athletes and what's happening on the field and in the boxing match, whatever it is. And now everything is becoming politicized.

Starting point is 00:19:30 So ESPN is giving their athlete of the year to Caitlyn Jenner. It makes no freaking sense. Well, that was a deal. Or why are the NFL ratings down? You know, it's because people are talking about Kaepernick and politics instead of sports. Does that make the ratings go down? Really? Is the ratings down?

Starting point is 00:19:43 Well, the ratings are hugely down in the NFL this year. and a lot of people are linking that i don't know it empirically i wouldn't be shocked there's a lot of people in this country just have zero tolerance i mean it's almost like separation of church and state yeah they would like their sports to just be sports and about sports yeah you know and i i kind of appreciate that in a certain way because it's like if you were watching a comedy show and all of a sudden during that comedy show they started deeply discussing religion and right like really like discussing deep intricacies of different faith-based cultures you'd be like what the f*ck am i what this is not comedy right do it's funny sure but once you turn that thing and now you're doing something else right you're doing a different thing you're not doing sports you're doing you're

Starting point is 00:20:23 doing race relations or you're doing but i understand it's also, they look at it as a platform for our culture, and that's what Kaepernick did. He said, look, I have this platform. And in some ways, I think what he did kind of worked, because a lot of kids in high school now are doing that. They're taking knees when they do the national anthem it's it's strange but it's also like the black uh like when people had the black fist at the olympics were those dudes that did that in the 1970s i think it was 71 maybe 71 yeah something like that 72 whatever that was i mean that got people talking this gets people talking too and maybe sometimes you need to kind of inject some sort of something to think about during sporting events. I'm not telling them not to do it. Of course, Kaepernick wants to do that. Go ahead.

Starting point is 00:21:10 These guys, if Barkley and all them want to, if their TNT bosses are okay with it, and they go, well, you can do that instead of talking about how many points Durant had, then so be it. But I'm just saying what I think most people want from sports is an escape. And I can tell you for sure,

Starting point is 00:21:24 in the two or three weeks that the NBA season's been gone, every time I flip by TNT and they're doing that, I change it. Where I used to, I love those guys. I think that show, in many ways, is an incredible social experiment, not just a sports experiment. I don't know what the show is. But, you know, it's the after show on TNT. I don't watch basketball. So it's Barkley, who's obviously completely outspoken and incredible, and Kenny Smith, who also is, and Shaq,

Starting point is 00:21:47 and Ernie Johnson's the token white guy in the equation. I love token white guys. No, but they're all really great in their rhythm with each other. For four guys to sit there and do it, they've been doing it for probably 15 years. Shaq's newer to it. But anyway, I'd go to ESPN or TNT for sports right not for that here and there's plenty to talk about in sports there's all these players all these plays all these games

Starting point is 00:22:12 so much is riding on each event yeah so I'm not begrudging them any of the legitimate things that you're talking about of course they the athletes can do whatever they want to express themselves in any way but once that starts becoming more of what you're talking about than the sports, that's why people start tuning out. Well, again, the market's deciding, right? And if their ratings go down because of this, I guess maybe someone in the head office will go, hey, guys, what the f*ck?

Starting point is 00:22:35 Right. And that's how it should be. I mean, that's absolutely how it should be. Yeah, it's a fascinating time. And I think this is a side effect of everyone having a voice because we all have voices now. I mean, this is a side effect of everyone having a voice. Because we all have voices now. You know, I mean, this is the new world we live in.

Starting point is 00:22:52 The new world we live in is anyone can broadcast. Anyone can get on Periscope and just start talking. Don't tell everybody. Anyone can. Anyone can get on Twitter and just make a post about something. I mean. I've been telling my people I'm the only one that can do it. What are you doing? Do you remember that woman? What was her name again? The woman who wrote the

Starting point is 00:23:07 post about AIDS on Twitter. I'm going to Africa. Hope I don't get AIDS. LOL. Just kidding. I'm white. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was just a nobody PR person. Nobody knew who she was before that. I can't remember her name. Justine Sacco, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that it? I think that's it. Yeah. But that sort of event, it's's like that's the beginning it's the first pop of the kernel when you start making popcorn and you hear that first pop yeah pop pop pop pop pop we're culturally about to f*cking jiffy pop the f*ck out of this thing that's what's happening yeah you're all going nuts you know i remember when that sacko thing happened and so basically she said that she said that joke she gets on joke, she gets on a plane, she disappears for what? Eight, 10 hours or something. And then she gets

Starting point is 00:23:48 on a plane, her life is destroyed. She has to leave her job, blah, blah, blah. She's publicly humiliated. And I remember, and look, I tweet all the time. I love Twitter and I love the way you can communicate through it. But I remember I didn't tweet anything about it intentionally because I was like, wait a minute. Good for you. Because I was like, wait, wait, wait, let me get this straight. A woman who I've never heard of before, who's not a public person per se, tweeted a bad joke, basically a really tasteless, stupid thought. Her life is going to be destroyed. Why would I add to that?

Starting point is 00:24:15 So I really tried to make a conscious decision to just be like, you know, and I do that now and again with certain news things where I'm like, this one, I'm going to sit out because this gang mentality, like no one, you didn't know who that was before. Nobody knew who this woman was before. But so one random person said something that I didn't like. We must destroy her. So you're right.

Starting point is 00:24:35 It is, that's the first pop. And now these pops are happening all over the place, which by the way is why I think what Peter Thiel did with Hogan and Gawker is f*cking phenomenal. Yes, I agree. Phenomenal. I agree, because there's some violent and aggressive invasion of privacy that's going on with companies that are trying to make a lot of money by doing that. And that's one of the things that a lot of people thought about Gawker.

Starting point is 00:24:59 Although I did read an incredible piece on Gawker from May, I hate to say this, about Donald Trump's hair, where they were investigating whether or not Donald Trump's hair is a very expensive weave. I read it, and they had a diagram of showing how it veers around, and that there's an office in Trump Tower. Yes, that does that. That it's one floor below his, and the office doesn't have a website anymore, and they've been doing this procedure for like a long time. And essentially they take a hair and then they find whatever hairs you have and they sort of tie this hair onto your hair. Like one hair at a time. It's like some crazy eight-hour procedure. And the speculation is that the entire business revolves around maintaining his hair in that manner now as someone who uh is bald is bald thank you i was gonna try to do something

Starting point is 00:25:51 well i've had challenged or hair transplants i went oh right you did yeah years ago big smile scar in the back of my head from you let them chop out a piece of the back of your head and they tried to put it up front yeah the way i describe it is like they take some people that are really healthy and they move into a neighborhood where everyone's dying that's funny yeah well i i was you know when i did it i was in my late 20s and i was i was just on television and i was panicking because my hair was falling out i was like oh my god i'm just my career is just getting started and i'm gonna lose it all because i was thinking very probably correctly that a lot of my success is predicated on my appearance and i was like if this goes like if i go bald i'm f*cked no one had shaved heads back then the 90s either if they did it was very rare and uh so i went through all this but it it

Starting point is 00:26:40 helped it definitely gave me like thicker hair, but it was too, it was too much work. And eventually I realized like, it's so pointless. And then when I shaved my head, it was like the most freeing feeling. Yeah. I was like, I like it better like this.

Starting point is 00:26:55 If I, if I had hair right now, I'd f*cking shave it. Yeah. I mean, I'm holding ground and I, you look great. When I,

Starting point is 00:27:01 it looks wonderful. Don't go hard on your hair, but I used to have hair over here. You know, that's what happens as you age. But I know for sure there were times in my life when I was very stressed. And I'm not kidding you. I could feel it. Could you feel it when you were losing hair?

Starting point is 00:27:14 Could you feel it at times? Coming out? Yeah. No, I just noticed. Almost like a, not literally like each individual thing, but almost like I could feel my tension there, basically. Oh, no. Maybe that was just psychological. Yeah, maybe.

Starting point is 00:27:27 Maybe your hair is completely connected to your emotions. Maybe you're one of those people. This is why I don't smoke pot anywhere, because that's what I would think about. I'd smoke pot and go, wait a minute, what's going on up there? Really? Kind of. Yeah, that's the rub on the pot, right? Whatever is f*cking with you.

Starting point is 00:27:39 Yeah, exactly. Just comes to the surface. That's why I like the sativa, the indica. I like pot for that reason, though. I want to know what's f*cking with me. Yeah. I don't want to know. It's like that old joke that Kennison used to have about they say every man's got a hom*osexual

Starting point is 00:27:52 fantasy. He goes, well, I'm sitting around the other day going through my fantasies because if there's one in there, I want to know. I want to know about it. Yeah. Did you find yours? I didn't have one. I looked.

Starting point is 00:28:03 It's not in there. It's not in there. I'm so sorry for your people. So when you see, so as someone that has shaved, that feels good about it, as you said, it's like a burden off you. I tell people all the time if the dudes are struggling, I'm like, shave your f*cking head. So then doesn't Trump seem doubly ridiculous to you in a certain way? Well, he's more than doubly ridiculous.

Starting point is 00:28:20 He's ridiculous in a million different ways. But just on the hair front, really. I mean, that's cliche, so we don't have to spend too much time talking about it. But doesn't that, like as someone who shaved your head, you feel good about it, that he does this thing, this whatever the f*ck it is. Concoction. He always says, it's my hair, it's my hair, which is sort of a cop out. Because yeah, they're probably doing something. If you buy hair, it's still your hair.

Starting point is 00:28:37 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But doesn't it seem doubly ridiculous then to someone like you, like knowing that you shaved and you feel good and life goes on? But I get it from a psychological standpoint. I get it also as a person who likes to have control over their life. You feel like that's one thing that really freaks people out about their hair. But features and appearance is very bizarre, right? Because I know this woman who recently got a nose job. And she was beautiful.

Starting point is 00:29:03 And she decided that she didn't like her nose and she got a little bit trimmed off. It's kind of crazy, right? But there's a weird thing where people decide that if my nose was one-eighth of a millimeter smaller, I would feel better about myself. I would feel better about my appearance. But I've met people that have big noses. No, she doesn't look any better. She looked great before.

Starting point is 00:29:22 She looks great now. It's just a weird thing that people do they they fixate but what i was going to get at is it's really strange like what we decide looks good you know and that it's cultural in a lot of ways because if you go to something like how about those i think it's suri women who decide they put those giant plates in their lips yeah and the bigger the plate the more cattle they're worth when they get married. There's like f*cking really bizarre Cultures and it's an example of how human beings when isolated for whatever reason what they mean there's scar Scarification rituals that many cultures go through will cut pieces out of their skin to appeal to look like crocodiles You're seeing that where they do their backs and do it?

Starting point is 00:30:06 Yeah. Yeah. They cut these chunks out of their back and then they develop these keloid scars that pop up and they see if you can find that, Jamie. Men with crocodile scarring. But it's there's so many different scarification rituals. And look at me. I'm covered in tattoos.

Starting point is 00:30:23 There's like weird things that people do to their body and weird appearances that people choose to enjoy or not enjoy and it just gets it gets very bizarre like what the f*ck is hair why is that guy's back oh man oh I have seen that crazy yeah and they just they cover their entire back with this that it makes it look like like a crocodile skin. Wow. Yeah. Well, you know, uh, Joy Behar used to say a phrase on, on the view, dare I quote the view, but Joy Behar used to say something that I always thought was great. And it was really simple. She used to say, it's an inside job that everything really is just an inside job. So if

Starting point is 00:30:59 you're walking around, your friends walking around and she thinks that this little, you know, beautiful woman, but she thinks this little millimeter, it bothers her for some reason. It's an inside job. Now, she may still have that same insecurity after, or maybe she exercised it. You know, maybe it actually did do what it was supposed to do. But most of us are walking around. The sh*t that we're walking around with is just an inside job. And it's your job as a human to exercise exercise that stuff and that's i mean i try

Starting point is 00:31:27 to do it every day that that's what trying to get better is all about and we fail at it constantly i fail every day but there's also like a certain amount of you that should be upset with the way you look so that you force yourself to go to the gym and it keeps you healthy i just moved out of west hollywood we talked about this last time I was here, you know, where every guy, these people- But they're disgusting. Chiseled. But they're actually disgusting for the most part. How so?

Starting point is 00:31:51 Because they're just f*cking each other in the street like mad dogs? I've seen that. Because you don't want to go to the steam room. Oh, I know. I just left. I lived in West Hollywood for three years. I never- I went to the locker room in that gym, 24 Hour Fitness, once.

Starting point is 00:32:04 Dude, 24 Hour Fitness in West Hollywood is the one I always talk about. My friend used to be the manager there. I used to go to the 24-Hour Fitness in Woodland Hills. And there was a guy that worked there that was my friend who was a manager. And they sent him over. He was at another 24-Hour Fitness, but he was like a really good, well-organized guy, well-liked. And they sent him to West Hollywood to clean up. And he said he got there and dudes were just going at it in the sauna.

Starting point is 00:32:28 And they would have to mop it down. He said it was insane. He said it was basically just a gay hookup spot. The whole place, frankly, is disgusting. I mean, it really, really. But beyond just like that, just the sex or whatever, this idea that you have to look perfect. There's never enough. And that's why,, there's never enough and that's why for me it's like that's why gay marriage was so important not because of

Starting point is 00:32:51 The whether you want to get married not as irrelevant But the idea that all these people that could never get married They had to stay in the rat race forever imagine that if you always felt like you had to stay in the rat race because the same equality of being in a relationship that was sanctioned by the state as silly as that may all be in in at some level but the idea that you just had to stay in this race forever and then one day you're 50 and you're trying to look like you're 20 because you're still in that race because you never found someone

Starting point is 00:33:19 whether it's a guy or a girl or whatever that that you can start maturing into some other thing with. And that's why marriage equality was important to me, not whether someone actually gets married or not. Milo and I have great debates on this. But you've got to get out, because there's nothing sadder than those people that never stop that thing. Well, sad to you on the outside,

Starting point is 00:33:41 but if those people are on antidepressants and cocaine, they might be having a great time. Believe me, they're happier than me. They've got cash, expendable income. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They got hair plugs and they're tanned beyond imagination. They look good. I'm not saying they don't look good, but actually they don't look that good because their muscles are too big.

Starting point is 00:33:58 You know, they all just, the shirts are too tight. Like, you know, it's like settle down, everybody. Yeah, well, there's a lot of that going on i you know i used to work out at gold's gym on cole which is uh you know where that is in west hollywood it's like right down the street from sunset and gower studios okay yeah we used to do news radio at sunset and so there's a gold's gym down the street i'm like oh well i'll just make a membership there that way over at lunch i could just shoot over get a workout in real quick and get by Because I had just gotten used to like set life like life on the set on a new sitcom You're working at a minimum if the sitcoms not going well

Starting point is 00:34:34 Like news radio wasn't really going well in terms of like we're trying to find its legs in the early days And we would work 12 14 hours a day It was really hard to do stand-up at night. And it was really hard to work out. I was like, God damn, man. And same with my hair. I was like, sh*t, I got to stay in shape. There was a lot of scenes on news radio where I had to take my shirt off. That was kind of a part of who I was.

Starting point is 00:34:54 I don't want them to replace me. I better f*cking keep going to the gym. And plus I'm vain. So anyway, I went over to this Gold's Gym. And I didn't know that that was exactly like the 24 Hour Fitness in West Hollywood. It was just a gay disco. I used to feel like a tasty little morsel

Starting point is 00:35:08 in a big hom*o stew. I would walk in there like a wounded antelope trailing up to the water hole and there was all these dudes with like scrunchy socks like from f*cking Olivia Newton-John

Starting point is 00:35:18 Let's Get Physical and they would have Timberlands on and cut off jeans. Yeah, these people were wearing them. Animals. Just f*cking big yoked up, steroided up dudes.

Starting point is 00:35:28 Just gayer than the day is long. Yeah. It was interesting because it made me feel like what it must feel like to be a woman who's not interested in getting hit on, who goes to the gym. Yeah. Well, when I first moved to West Hollywood, I first was intimidated by it because I was like, you know, I'm at this gym with all these like huge, muscly whatever. And then as time went on, I started

Starting point is 00:35:47 enjoying it because I was like, this is actually ridiculous. It's a comedy. Yeah, it really is a comedy. So if you take it just at that, which that's the level you were taking it at, you'd walk in there and go, look at this idiot in timber. Who worked out in Timberlands? But you're not kidding. They actually do. With jean shorts. It's like, what are you, are you building a

Starting point is 00:36:03 log cabin or working out? They're spending they're sending rather a very clear message They're looking for some dick and this is how you get it with Timberland throw that flag up Timberland the Daisy Dukes are important. There's no there's no like subtlety in Daisy Dukes No, there's a Daisy Dukes on whether you're a guy or a girl you're looking for dick. Yeah, right Well, the universal flag of I'm looking for dick yeah i gotta get some new shorts daisy there's something about the daisy dukes right yeah like and when guys started adopting it's like whoa all right buddy but that's that all goes to like nobody cares like all of this stuff about when we talk about gay marriage

Starting point is 00:36:41 or any of this stuff it's like enough already it's there it exists like people i support i should say one thing i support you doing whatever the f*ck you want to do if you want to wear daisy dukes and f*ck a bunch of dudes who cares go have fun this is this this is a short experience yeah i'm 49 years old so i'm almost 50 which is if everything goes great i'm halfway dead and it's probably not going to go that great all the acid and pot and all that jazz i have a little faith in some of the robotics that are coming in some of the gene stuff i do but i mean realistically i don't want to plan on that and also you got some dough so you're on the the good side of it i'm on the good side of it but there's also issues like f*cking asteroids super volcanoes zombie invasion alien attack yeah who knows what the f*ck's gonna go down in the next couple of decades but yeah my point is this is a short ride it's not that long it seems like it's a long time when

Starting point is 00:37:30 you're young because when you're 22 you look at 80 like god that's so far away but when you're 50 and you look at 80 like yo that's around the corner yeah a year is not that long it just seems long when you've only gone through 20 of them in your whole life you're like wow it's so long yeah here i can't wait until i'm 21 you know and then all of a sudden you look back and you go oh this thing happened in the blink of an eye yeah i my from 30 to 40 which i turned this year went so fast i mean i i remember my 30th birthday and i remember thinking wow now like i'm not a kid anymore like because you can push it into your 20s right you can get through your 20s and still think you're somehow not an adult maybe or but 30 then you go well sh*t now i'm kind of and now it's like wow i just turned 40

Starting point is 00:38:14 and it's like now it's like this is real this is really real you're in it and but i think the key is to not even concentrate on that yeah to be To be aware of it, to recognize it, to address it, but just concentrate on. And this is such a f*cking cliche statement, but I try to say it as much as possible. Living in the moment. Yeah. Just being here in the moment, taking care of your biology, you know, respect your meat vehicle, take care of that thing. But try to enjoy this thing and live in the moment. And the more you don't live in the moment, the more you get caught up in bullsh*t, the more it gets away from you.

Starting point is 00:38:48 And then anxiety and nonsense and all this stupidity. And that kind of goes back to Trump with his f*cking wacky hair. Like you're not living in the moment if you're a 70-year-old guy and you're spraying your hair down with a f*cking gallon of Aquanet before you go out. And everybody knows what you're doing. Everybody knows what you're doing. That's the piece. That's the piece. It're doing everybody knows what you're doing that's the piece that's the piece it's like everyone knows something shave that f*cking head you're worth 18 billion dollars whatever the hell he's maybe he's not really worth that much right

Starting point is 00:39:12 isn't it we have no freaking clue just I'd like to do with them come on dude I'll do it imagine if he did that today imagine if he did it today one day before the election he'd win in a landslide. Maybe. There would be such positive will towards him. All guys would go, yes! He's one of us. Larry David would endorse him. I mean, it would be huge. Well, I'm curious as to the backlash against Trump.

Starting point is 00:39:38 Not the current backlash against Trump, but when it's going to come from other people. Because people, whenever someone is perceived to be a bully, whether he is or not, you can make your own choice, your own decision about that. But I think he is. And a lot of people think he is. And I think that's also probably one of the reasons why he's been so successful is because he's so ruthlessly competitive and he thinks of himself so highly.

Starting point is 00:40:00 And those sort of traits, like narcissistic traits, are oftentimes very prevalent in people that are successful in business. Like really successful, like he is. When he puts his name on everything, he's branded everything, and everything's Trump this and Trump that. He has no notion whatsoever of staying low-key. Well, when you fight against, like, he's really mad at Alec Baldwin and SNL for doing what I think is hilarious. Yeah. And it's really well done. Like that thing that they do, grab him by the puss*.

Starting point is 00:40:29 You know, he does that. Alec Baldwin's best work, I think, since f*cking. Since Beetlejuice. Yeah, right? Well, what is the one? Glenn Gary getting Glenn Ross. Probably his best work since the coffee is for closers line has been this sh*t. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:40:42 I mean, it's funny. And he gets angry. Like, Jon Stewart did a bit. He was doing this stand-up for veterans for some sort of a benefit. And he did this bit where he started reading off these Twitter exchanges between him and Donald Trump. And Donald Trump just started tweeting at him

Starting point is 00:41:00 in the middle of the night. Like, a tweet from 1.30 in the morning. Have you seen this? I mean, I probably have seen some of them. It's brand new. It's brand new, this stand-up bit. Oh, okay, so no, I haven't seen it. Let's pull it up, Jamie, because I think Jon Stewart,

Starting point is 00:41:15 I think we could actually play this on YouTube. I'm friends with Jon Stewart. I'm sure he'd let us play it. Because I think he'd also agree that this is kind of important. Like, it just shows you, it's not whether or not donald trump's conservative approach and make america great again and not letting in terrorists and all that stuff all the things you may or may not agree with we're just talking about from a psychological standpoint from looking at him as a human being like there's

Starting point is 00:41:39 there's something off here there's something incorrect about his thinking well that's you're hitting a lot of the a lot of the stuff so we can let's let's watch this because it's pretty f*cking funny to find out somebody was tweeting weird sh*t about me okay so on april 24th 2013 at 11.m., someone comes into my office and says, Donald Trump just tweeted, I promise you I'm much smarter than Jonathan Leibovitz. I mean, Jon Stewart, who, by the way, is totally overrated. Now, I'm going to say something to you. This is real.

Starting point is 00:42:27 And I don't necessarily disagree with it. So I said, as you might say to yourself, what the f*ck is that about? So we're not quite sure. We can't quite figure it out. So a couple of days later, he tweets, as I've said many times before, Jon Stewart is highly overrated. Then, I swear this is true.

Starting point is 00:43:04 He tweets again, if Jon Stewart is so above it all and legit, why did he change his name from Jonathan Leibovitz? He should be proud of his heritage. Yeah, that guy wants to be president. Okay, hold on, let me keep going. Then he tweeted, Jon Stewart is a total phony. He should cherish his past, not run from it.

Starting point is 00:43:27 So I start to think to myself like, oh, I think this guy is trying to let people know I'm a Jew. And I think to myself like, doesn't my face do that? And I think to myself, like, doesn't my face do that? Honestly, like, where have you seen this face other than a poster for Yentl? Like, what? In what world are people like, Stuart, that's a Scottish name, but there's something about that fella that looks a little shmeary. It would be funny if it wasn't so toxically f*cking crude and horrible, but... So I decide to tweet back at him.

Starting point is 00:44:25 Many people don't know this, but Donald Trump's real name is f*ckface von clown stick I wish you would embrace the von clown stick heritage So he. You remember, by the way, Lincoln used to get into this sh*t all the time. I swear to God, this is true. The man who will more than likely, given the FBI's preference, be our next president,

Starting point is 00:45:05 then tweeted, Amazing how the haters and losers keep tweeting the name f*ckface von Kleinstadt. Like they are so original and like no one else is doing. They are so original and like no one else is doing. What happened is it turned out a lot of people on Twitter picked up on the name f*ckface Von Klausten and started tweeting at it. Then he tweets, what's funny about the name f*ckface Von Klausten? It was not coined by John Leibowitz. He stole it from a moron on Twitter. So I tweet back, we seem to have hit a f*ckface von nervstic. face von nerve stick silence radio silence four days later i'd you not

Starting point is 00:46:21 perhaps the next president of the greatest country in the world at 1.30 in the morning tweeted, little Jon Stewart is a puss*. And would be hopeless in a debate with me vote wisely this november well that that line at the end really says it all right there vote wisely this november because this is where we're at now. And Jon Stewart is a puss*. That speaks volumes, too. Like, who f*cking tweets something like that? What 70-year-old tweets something like that who's running for president?

Starting point is 00:47:13 Joe, I'm going to do something that's very difficult right now. Oh. I'm going to try to defend Donald Trump for a second on this, which is he is using the system against itself. So he's using the trolling tactics. What is his... Ultimately, yes, that's all insane.

Starting point is 00:47:29 That's all completely, utterly insane. Strange, like, anti-Semitic dog whistling, although it's as if Jon Stewart's hiding the fact that he's Jewish. He talks about being Jewish every day. Like, there's so much bizarre lunacy in there, in the comments. But my best defense of him is not that he... Look, the guy's obviously a narcissist. He obviously has some sort of personality disorder and all kinds of other sh*t and shady business practices.

Starting point is 00:47:49 And we don't know the taxes and all that stuff. The defense I can give of him is that he's using the system against itself. So all of this corrupt media bullsh*t, all of this political correctness, all of this, the outrage culture, all the stuff we've been talking about. He purposely does it just to keep his name out there. So these idiots, these, the lapdog media just keeps giving him free attention. And then by giving him free attention, he doesn't have to spend the money that all the other candidates do. Hillary's outspending him. I don't know what the numbers are, but I bet you it's something like 20 to one. And it's like, he's just using it. So does he believe any of this stuff he's saying? And is that morally wrong and ethically gross?

Starting point is 00:48:27 Sure. But he's just using the system. And I think, you know, when people are saying, well, you know, if it had only been Rubio, you know, a lot of Democrats say, if it had only been Rubio or Romney or Bush, it would have been so much better. All the sh*t, whether they're calling him anti-women

Starting point is 00:48:40 or anti-gay or anti-American, they would have been saying it about them too because they did it. I mean, remember what they were saying about Romney four years ago. He had binders of women. He hates women. He hates immigrants. I would probably vote for Romney at this point. Well, Romney had that saying. He did say

Starting point is 00:48:54 binders of women, right? Sure. But it was just, they took it out of context. It was a talking point. I mean, that's what politics is all about. Yeah. But what's important to know, first of all, I agree with you and I think his use of really ridiculous statements and stuff is brilliant because he does force the media to report on some of the things he says. But that was 2013. He wasn't running for president then.

Starting point is 00:49:13 Right. No, so he has always used it for his own purposes, just to keep his own celebrity out there. Right. So everything he's done from from any point that I can remember him from in the 80s to forward has been to further his own brand, his own empire, his own money, all of that stuff. And now he's just he's doing exactly what the media has demanded in a weird way. Yeah. You know, like the media doesn't even wait for us to get outraged anymore. They they're sitting there, all of these people at all of these, you know, Daily Beast, all these sites that somehow are all considered legit and nothing personal against Daily Beast. I'm just picking one.

Starting point is 00:49:48 But like they're literally just waiting for him to tweet so that they can write the article about the outrage that the tweet caused. They don't even wait for us to be outraged. They just start. So it's like he's just feeding them. He's feeding the monster, knowing it keeps getting more clicks. The more clicks and views he gets, the more they'll want to talk about him, the more money it makes the networks. It's like he really is just, he's just

Starting point is 00:50:09 playing the game, really. Well, he's playing the game brilliantly. I mean, he's a great heel. He does a great job at it. Yeah, look, he loves wrestling. Right. I mean, he used to do stuff with the WWF, WWE. Yeah. Because he gets that. Yeah. And that's what people are missing here. So we can talk all about

Starting point is 00:50:25 all the policies and whether he actually has a personality disorder and all that but in terms of the tactics he's just doing it you know nbc um they invited me to go on celebrity apprentice back when we did the second version of fear factor which i guess was like 2011 or 12 or something like that i forget what year it was and i should have done it i didn't want to do it because i would have had to move to new york for like three months right but my family was down when they're like let's do it and i was like all right maybe f*ck that i kind of want to do that i'm like i don't i just i don't like i don't like shows you know i don't i don't maybe if it was a show that i watched and enjoyed but i never watched it

Starting point is 00:51:02 yeah but i wish i did now because i wanted love to have some insight. I'd love to be around that guy and pick his brain. Because Jeff Ross was around him when they roasted him for Comedy Central. And he said the guy was very reasonable. And this is when they roasted him. He signed up for the roast. And Jeff had a conversation with him. He's like, when they turn to you and they're saying jokes about you, you should laugh because it looks bad if you're just sitting there. You're upset. It can make you look better if you laugh. He's like, you're right. He seemed very reasonable.

Starting point is 00:51:29 I think there's something about he's very concerned with perception, hence the hair, right? He's very concerned with control. He's very concerned with all these different things. So in a lot of ways, this is sort of a psychological profile as much as it is a presidential race. It's like we're watching two different people that are extremely flawed. Like, she is not honest.

Starting point is 00:51:50 Hillary Clinton is a very, very dishonest person. There's an incredible amount of data to point that she is incredibly dishonest. Whether it's dishonest about the Clinton Foundation, dishonest about the emails, dishonest completely about Benghazi. Do you remember when they were trying to say Benghazi was all in response to a YouTube video? Yeah, which she knew it wasn't. There are emails that prove it. Exactly, exactly. And it's very, very disturbing when you consider the fact that it doesn't disqualify you from running the government. If you're going to have someone who represents the people of, as Jon Stewart said, and I agree, the greatest country in the world, you should have someone

Starting point is 00:52:29 who's honest. And look, even Barack Obama's turned out through these WikiLeaks releases that he lied about not knowing that Hillary Clinton had that email server. He had commented on it, and he had emailed her on it. So that's not true. So the whole thing is very, very sordid in many, many, many ways. And Gary Johnson keeps f*cking up. I've had him on the podcast before, and I enjoyed him. I like talking to him. But how do you not know what Aleppo is? I didn't know where Aleppo was either, by the way.

Starting point is 00:53:00 But I knew what was going on in Syria, but I didn't know the name of the city that was getting bombed. Sure. And, of course, look, the media is disingenuous when they when they find that Aleppo moment with Gary Johnson. And suddenly that's the lead story all over the place or for 24 hours. It's all over Twitter because it's like you guys ignored everything he says. So now he screwed up once and now that's the way you discredit him. So I've had Gary Johnson on my show. So I chatted with him.

Starting point is 00:53:22 He was going on Larry King when I was over at Orrin. We had about a half hour before we went on air in the green room. The guy, he's a perfectly decent, lovely human being. He's not dumb. He's not dumb. He is a nice guy. I would love to smoke pot with him and go skiing. But like, but like, but that said, in August, I did a video on my channel where I said, I will support this guy to get to 15% to get him in the debate.

Starting point is 00:53:46 Because whether you like him or not, we desperately need another voice. Talk about limited government. Talk about why taxes should be low or whatever it is. Now, I failed at that. Obviously, I tried. But from that point, from about mid-August to the debate, he had about 10 horrific moments. I actually think as much as I like him personally, he's done the libertarians, and in a certain way,

Starting point is 00:54:09 the country, a major disservice by being so ill-prepared for this. Yeah. So many people would have been excited to have heard an actual, imagine if there was a libertarian right now. Obviously, he's not going to win. Like a Ross Perot type character? A Ross Perot type, or just someone who had a certain command of the issues. Because Gary, he's good in all the reasons that we we like him but he's kind of goofy and silly and you know he

Starting point is 00:54:29 stammers a lot and he speaks in a funny way and his body language is kind of you know sly you know slippery or i don't know but the point is this was the year if there were if we were ever going to have a third party a third choice something like that this was the year where it could have made a real dent the way ross perot did. And Gary could have, it should have been the libertarian candidate more than Jill Stein, I think. But Gary just at every opportunity to show that he knows what he's doing, can speak clearly about the issues. He failed. He's for having the government force the Indiana baker to bake the cake. Did you know that? not he's for having the government force the the india indiana uh baker to bake the cake did you know he's a libertarian so a lot of yeah he's forcing them to bake that

Starting point is 00:55:10 cake yeah really yeah so so he isn't even a great but i even said this in my video i said look the guy's not a great libertarian i don't think he's a great candidate he was a republican and he ran new mexico he was a republican yeah and he was a good two-term governor bill weld by the way yeah this is running mate who was the former governor of Massachusetts. Yeah, so they're both decent fellas. You know what I mean? They're both decent fellas. And maybe that's just not what makes you the president.

Starting point is 00:55:33 But this was, they missed a huge opportunity. Imagine if there had just been a well-spoken libertarian who could just have elicited what the points of libertarianism is. I think it would have, look, it's not going to flip the election, but it could have done something. And I think he was the wrong guy. It's a dirty business, you know? And that's one of the reasons why Hillary Clinton is good at it. She's a dirty person.

Starting point is 00:55:56 I mean, I say that with no ill will. I mean, I don't hate that lady. But what she does is dirty. And if you look at what the DNC did to Bernie Sanders That's dirty and what she did as soon as that woman got fired from the DNC. She hires her immediately I mean, it's so incredibly transparent So think how corrupt really how corrupt this is and this is again why I talk about the left a lot because they need to Call out their side

Starting point is 00:56:21 We will be wrong It would be very easy for us for us to sit here and just mock the right the whole time. And we can get further into Trump and mock the sh*t out of him. But the problem is, I don't believe in a left and a right. No, I don't either. But I'm just within the way we have to sort of frame discussions. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, the labels, they're all ridiculous at this point.

Starting point is 00:56:39 But think about how corrupt the DNC is. Debbie Wasserman Schultz was the head of the DNC. They find out she's rigging it for Hillary. She steps down in shame, literally the same day or the next day. Same day.

Starting point is 00:56:51 Same day she starts working for the Hillary campaign. Then Donna Brazile, who's a Democratic superdelegate, right? She's a Democratic superdelegate who CNN had on as a contributor as if she could possibly

Starting point is 00:57:03 give you any, you know, remotely honest answer on anything. She then becomes the head of the DNC. And then now it's, of course, come out on WikiLeaks in the last week that she was feeding Hillary questions for the debates. So it so you may hate the Republicans for all the all your fans out there that hate the Republicans. You still got to acknowledge that there is something deeply, deeply corrupt with the Democrats. And Hillary's the head of that, simply put. Deeply corrupt against Bernie Sanders, who's also a Democrat.

Starting point is 00:57:33 It's like what Hillary Clinton is, is a hustler. And she knows how to put it all together. And she's got, and both of the Clintons, they're hustlers. They keep these people close to them, and they make sure that everyone is taken care of, whether it's people from other countries that donate money to the Clinton Foundation, whether it's all these different people. Like when, you know, when she hired that woman for her campaign, that's not unusual. Like that's standard operational procedure

Starting point is 00:58:02 for the Clinton campaign. That's like how she's conducted business. And that's what we don't like about politics. What we don't like about politics is the cronyism and the established roots that they have developed over 30 plus years in government. Yeah. So that's what's happening right now is that because of WikiLeaks, we're starting to see how the sausage is made. It's not just a theory anymore. So for the last couple of years, where a lot of online people would be screaming about the government's corrupt, the media's in bed with them,

Starting point is 00:58:30 they're pitching softball interviews. Well, now we're seeing that it's actually true. Like there's actual evidence in email saying, yeah, give softball stories to easy reporters at the New York Times. Don't talk to this person, blah, blah, blah. We're seeing all of it now and it's coming to a, and then you throw Trump into it and you throw trolling and internet culture and you get all of that going and back to that popcorn that we started with.

Starting point is 00:58:52 Now it's all bubbling at once. And you know, it all comes down to tomorrow. And I also think there's waves of this stuff. There's waves of outrage. And then the people sort of get resigned to it all because they get their own life calls you know like if you really wanted to delve deep into the Clintons or delve deep into Trump and just that would absorb every second of your day for decades yeah really really would yeah with both of those guys and you gotta live and it's always been like that do you remember Jeff Gannon do you remember who he is it sounds familiar give me a little Jeff Gannon? Do you remember who he is? It sounds familiar. Give me a little bit. Jeff Gannon was an embedded reporter in the White House who actually spent time sleeping at the White House. He had slept in the White House on more than one occasion. And this was during the Bush administration.

Starting point is 00:59:35 And he would ask the most ridiculous questions that you would never think that a reporter would ask. Like, Mr. President, when are the Democrats going to wake up and come to their senses like those kind of questions like just completely ridiculous leading questions complete softballs yeah well it turned out that he this was like when the internet was just starting to emerge right it was during the bush administration it turned out that he was a gay escort and he ran an all military gay escort service yeah this does kind of sound anymore like f*cking dog tags and a towel over his dick and he was straddled on the ground with combat boots on his in his online ad and you know what i've seen him at 24 hour fitness in west hollywood he's the manager that's the guy yeah he's the guy with the mop yeah so they realized

Starting point is 01:00:21 that this f*cking guy was i mean this was how they got i mean this is how they got the questions they want to be asked and they presented the you know the narrative that they wanted to push but this has always been the case there's always been ridiculous people who are almost like vampire familiars who stay close to the master and so they want to you know in one way or another feed off of whatever power that he has and in capitalize on it whether it's Debbie Wasserman Schultz whether it's you know what is a woman's name that's the Attorney General that Clinton met on the tarmac in his jet Oh Lynch yeah yeah that story is f*cking insane they had a private meeting I mean

Starting point is 01:01:04 Trump's been hitting that over the head It's actually every time he says it. I'm like, yeah, wait a minute They had a meeting in the plane for a couple minutes right before the indictment didn't happen Like well, that's why people like Scott Adams who's a very reasonable guy. Have you had a month? He's coming on soon He's great. He a little bit of what I said before about the Trump tactics He came on my show and he laid it out so clearly. And at that point he wasn't supporting Trump really. And I think, I think, I think now he officially is, but his whole point was, it's not the policy. Understand what he's doing,

Starting point is 01:01:35 the trolling, understand the leading that he does and then comes in after all that. He fully gets it. You're going to love talking to him. Yeah. I mean, I feel like what Trump represents to a lot of people that are supporting him is They'll they're willing to look past all of his flaws and all the bullsh*t and the bullying and the craziness because he's something Completely unique. Yeah that has never run for president before what he is He what he represents is a guy who has been inside but is also outside what he represents is a guy who has been inside but is also outside. He is independent in terms of financially.

Starting point is 01:02:14 And he's also independent in terms of his connections and his obligations to them. One of the things about him being a narcissist and one of the things about him being a guy who probably doesn't have a whole lot of friends is that in establishing that and becoming this super successful guy who's really concerned only about himself he's immune to all that cronyism bullsh*t he's not going to do that yeah and you're seeing that like the way he's hammering hillary on all these different things the way he's attacking i mean he got paid to be at hillary's f*cking wedding or hillary rather got paid to be at his wedding right he paid Her a donation gave her a donation for her to show up at his wedding. I locked it up I mean, this is a guy that's been deeply embedded in in in politics, but to his credit then he points that out

Starting point is 01:02:57 I mean in the first debate the first Republican debate. What was the he said it within the first 10 minutes? Yeah, yeah, I gave her money and she showed up to my wedding. That's how corrupt the system is. So you're totally right. What's happening is people are, they're so frustrated. They're frustrated about language and all the bullsh*t and seeing all the nonsense between the media and the white house correspondence dinner where, you know, they call it nerd prom and all the, they're supposed to be guarding the politicians and instead they're having dinner with them and we could go through the list of the amount of people that are on cnn that are married to public people or worked for campaigns you know i just mentioned the donna brazil thing there's a good paul begala for example he runs a hillary super pack he's on cnn as an analyst like this

Starting point is 01:03:38 everyone is now seeing it there was the idea of it but now because of the internet we're seeing all of it and people have just had it. Think about it. Everyone wants to be close to power in a certain way. So if you had Barack Obama, you're the president in here. You probably in your first interview with him, the first time you met him, might go a little easier hoping that he might come back again. Because you'd like to be around it a little bit. Not me, dude. I hope not you.

Starting point is 01:04:04 I would go hard. I would show up drunk and high. And I'd go like, it a little not me, dude. I hope I hope now you go hard I would show up drunk and high and I'd be like, let's just do this man. Let's just do this Yeah, I want to know what's up, but he oh there goes a chance to be the president But likely there would be like some serious consequences if I did do that right so there's so there's that's what's the real concern So there's two things there's one is that he won't do if you ask if you are gonna demand a really hard interview I mean a really really hard maybe a hard interview what I would do if I had a chance to sit down with Barack Obama Because he's not much older than me. Yeah, he's only a couple years older than me Like I essentially could hang out with that guy. Mm-hmm

Starting point is 01:04:39 I think in a lot of ways let's forget about what he's done and the drones and the attacks on whistleblowers and the attacks on the freedom of the press. There's been a lot of horrible things that have occurred during this administration. It's been one of the worst administrations in terms of freedom of the press. Yeah. It's not good. Left doesn't seem to say much about that. Not at all.

Starting point is 01:04:58 Because it's bullsh*t. That's why I don't believe in this left and right thing. It's like the Raiders versus the Dolphins. You pick a team and your team can do no wrong. Yeah. What I would talk to him about is what is it like being a human being under that immense amount of pressure? And is that job even manageable? Is it possible for one person to really be responsible for 300 and whatever million people there are here?

Starting point is 01:05:19 Yeah. Well, that's the thing. Right. But that's the thing. But Donald Trump's going to put an end to that. People think we're voting for a king. They don't realize that, you know, there's simple civics things that people need to know that they don't know anymore.

Starting point is 01:05:31 Stuff that you should have learned in seventh grade social studies. That we have three branches of government. The president is one branch. He's the executive branch. All he is supposed to do. The president doesn't write laws. All he is supposed to do is sign the law. Congress writes the law, the legislative branch.

Starting point is 01:05:45 And then the judicial branch, the courts actually make sure that they're legal and there's separation of powers and a balance so that they can, you know, checks and balances. So they make sure no branch gets too powerful. But if you think about it, think about what the last two years have been like for this election. People think we're voting on a king. So Hillary, I can solve this and all that. And it's like, wait a minute, if you can do all this sh*t, why didn't you tell Barack these last eight years? I'll bring all the jobs back. Well, you were on his king. So Hillary, I can solve this and all that. It's like, wait a minute. If you can do all this sh*t, why didn't you tell Barack these last eight years? I'll bring all the jobs back. Well, you were on his team.

Starting point is 01:06:09 So maybe you should have mentioned that. So you know that's all bullsh*t. And then when Trump says, I'm the only one that can solve immigration. I'm the only one that can make the economy great. Well, you're just a part of the government. I get it. You're a big part. And we fetishize the president in a way that we don't the other branches, which is a problem. But they're not a king. And we have to remind ourselves of

Starting point is 01:06:30 that. And for the people that are really ready to jump off the bridge tomorrow, if their guy loses. Or gal. Or gal. For those people, the hope is that the system can be stronger than either one of these two people. If we're not at that point, then we're really in trouble. But haven't we already established, though, that the system itself is horribly... It's just busted. It's just busted, but that's why they're voting Trump. And that's the thing.

Starting point is 01:06:54 That's the thing with Trump. If you think about Trump, what have progressives hated all these years? They hate Christian conservatives. Well, guess what? Trump's not a Christian conservative. He doesn't give a f*ck. They're all supporting him, oddly, at the highest numbers, but he doesn't care about that. Do you think Trump really cares about abortion? He's an old school puss* grabber. Yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 01:07:12 Right. He's an old school puss* grabber. O-S-P-G. He doesn't care about abortion. O-S-P-G. That's a t-shirt. There you go. You can have that one. But he doesn't care About abortion He doesn't care About gay rights Like think about it He gave the At the RNC

Starting point is 01:07:29 At the convention He talked about gay rights It got an applause break He brought Peter Thiel Up there to talk about Being openly gay And they loved him Yeah

Starting point is 01:07:37 I mean So in a lot of ways It's important also To establish that Hillary Clinton Was anti-gay marriage Until 2013 Yeah

Starting point is 01:07:43 When it became convenient She is on record Many many times As saying that she believes in a marriage between a man and a woman. Yeah. But that's what- Which is incredibly regressive. Well, that's what they all do. They wait.

Starting point is 01:07:53 Even Obama. It's like he waited, waited, waited until- Did you call him Mo-bama? I think Mo-bama. I said- Yeah. But even Obama didn't do it until Biden was on Meet the Press and he kind of slipped. And then the next day, Obama was like, me too.

Starting point is 01:08:06 You know, you're just saying Mo-Bama. Michelle Obama, if she ran, she could probably f*cking win. You want to talk about a woman who has been in the White House, who has shown an incredible resolve. The way she speaks, she's like a very intelligent, very articulate, very composed person. I think she could win. Well, what does it tell you, though? I'd rather have her than Hillary. How about that? I would probably rather have her than Hillary. 100%.

Starting point is 01:08:33 100%. I don't even know what she thinks. But Hillary, it's so... That's how ridiculous being a president is. I'm sitting here talking about, I just know she's not as compromised Yeah, maybe she would be if she got that job So is that ultimately where we're at is that the system is so corrupt that all it could choke out

Starting point is 01:08:52 All the two years of this bullsh*t could give us at the end was these two Like I kind of think they just they perfectly deserve each other But if you want to look and find out what went wrong You got to look in the mirror because we all have to look at ourselves and say, how did we all allow this to happen? It was a joke at first. The Trump thing was a joke. I mean, I'll fully own up. I remember when he first got in, I said, he's going to be in three debates and that's it. Well, he was definitely in three debates. He was. Yeah. And then he stayed for the fourth and I went, oh sh*t. He's better. He's better at talking to those people. He's used to being on camera and he's used to insulting people like when marco rubio tried to insult him

Starting point is 01:09:28 it was terrible oh my god he's like he's not good at that like that's not something you just pick up on it was like watching an open mic comic have to like headline the biggest show of their life you know like he just couldn't get the words out properly but but to that point maybe so for for all the things that we're talking about It seems to me that Trump the best sales job I could give her Trump would be that he has a lot His family has a lot they have everything to live for they have everything that most of us want in material Assets and what all that stuff and it's like is he really people that are like he's gonna start World War three or you know We're gonna fight North Korea

Starting point is 01:10:01 Well, isn't that a real concern though that with his hubris and the way he treats Opponents in business and the way he treats opponents socially like Rosie O'Donnell I go the way he does Sort of conduct himself that you that is not something that you can do if you want to talk to some foreign leader Absolutely, it's a cons for sure. So I'm not diminishing that we don't, as I say on the show all the time, I don't know what his moral center is. You know, I just have no sense of, is this really all about him or is this, does he really feel, does like in the truest moment of him, does he feel that the country really has been derailed?

Starting point is 01:10:38 And is he just using the trolling tactics to just get something good out of it? My point is that, that he has that he has a lot to lose. And it's like, maybe this is the moment where he finally came around and was like, no one's going to stop this bullsh*t, this corrupt, all this awful sh*t that you're talking about with Hillary. And maybe he's like, I'm the only one that can do it. That's the best way I can frame it. I'm not telling you that that's... That's a really fantasy-based view of it, though.

Starting point is 01:11:08 It's not based on his actual words. But it's impossible to base any of... So how do we base any of this on their words? We know that Hillary's lying left and right. You know what I mean? Well, have you seen the thing, the difference between the FBI director giving the description of what Hillary did

Starting point is 01:11:23 and then her saying what the FBI director giving the description of what Hillary did and then her saying what the FBI had said. Yeah. And I mean, it is so horrifically inaccurate and dishonest. Yeah. It's just like, how does that not immediately disqualify you? And at any other time it would. Because people-

Starting point is 01:11:36 If she was running against, let's put it this way. If she was running against Obama and these things, and this was the Hillary Clinton that we had been exposed to, it's like our standards have dropped So low, but the media would have been all over her because they liked Obama So that's what's happened here. Trump has been the great unifier to take all of these people Progressives and liberals and well all these people and even you know, the never Trump conservatives all these people They're all unified in just their hatred of Trump and then that gets them to ignore all the horrible sh*t about Hillary So like the stuff with the emails when she when the guy basically call me came out and

Starting point is 01:12:07 he was like, well, it wasn't negligent was sort of he was like, she's basically an idiot. She didn't know what she was doing, but it wasn't negligent. Well, that's grounds to be fired at most jobs. If you're you can't screw up something really, really important and say, well, I didn't do it on purpose. I'm just an idiot. It's not not not even that it's illegal and illegal You would go to jail right what everything she did if she was a sailor, you know, you know the the story about the the the naval

Starting point is 01:12:32 Officer who took photos? Not it wasn't even an officer as an enlisted guy who took photos of the inside of a nuclear co*ckpit You know, he's facing ten years in jail just took photos on his phone. Yeah top-secret sh*t Well, did you see this in the last two days that Hillary was having her cleaning lady print emails classified emails there? There are WikiLeaks is showing things where she's saying have her printed have her Anthony Weiner thing that she had Huma Huma forwarded her f*cking classified emails to Anthony Weiner's account and then printed them up because I guess his computer was hooked up to the f*cking Printer in the house so he could print his dick pics right so then

Starting point is 01:13:06 Well, he was he printing them. Where do you send them once you get a large them? Otherwise you get no traction. I can't send actual sized dick pics. So I ask you this. Yeah before we get any further Yeah, what? Do you want either one of them to win? And if you do you have a preference or are you like I do I want to step back and watch this nuclear explosion go off and see what happens. It's none of those three options. I don't want this thing to blow up. You know, one of the, one of the things I say on the show all the time is that our country

Starting point is 01:13:31 is still so good and we don't realize it. We think that it's just this endless fighting and this awfulness. There's so much good here. You wake up. I know we're a little, we're a little different as, as public people, but the average person wakes up here. They can say what they want to say. For the up here, they can say what they want to say, for the most part. You can say what you want to say.

Starting point is 01:13:48 You can get a decent job for the most part. We go to New York City and go on a subway and be with literally every single person from every part of the world, from every ethnicity and nationality and religion and race and sexuality, and we're all here and we're not killing each other. That doesn't mean that we could do a lot better.

Starting point is 01:14:05 It doesn't mean the system's broken. It doesn't, but it's still pretty damn good here. Almost everyone in the world still wants to come here. We don't, how many of your friends

Starting point is 01:14:12 are leaving America? I know Leland Dunham's going to leave. That'll be all right. Is she really leaving? She's going if Trump wins, you know. She said that?

Starting point is 01:14:18 Yeah, she's going to Mexico or something or Canada. Well, she's got a lot of problems of her own. Yeah, yeah. Right, let's not raise any rain spells on her but but So my overriding point would be I don't want to blow the system up to that level where it's really like

Starting point is 01:14:32 Well, there's never what I was saying because I didn't say I didn't mean like watch this nuclear explosion go off I meant an event like this isn't a tomorrow's an event Yeah, and we're gonna sit back and watch how this event plays out who you want to say who you're voting for So look we're in California. So so I haven't said this publicly I figured I would sort of wait till today So we're in California here. So we know Hillary's winning, California So the two of us have a little bit of a luxury to do something that might be more principled than what that is voting independent Yeah

Starting point is 01:15:01 Then what the average person if you're in Ohio or you're're in florida or colorado or whatever your your votes literally every single person's vote which also highlights how f*cking goofy the system is right so completely does right and now there are people that trading votes over state lines and all kinds of crazy things look my biggest thing this time is that the system is just mangled and we need more voices. So I, my, I'm not totally sure my gut feeling is I'm going to vote for Gary Johnson for all the wrong reasons, because I just want somebody to realize down the road that four years from now we should have somebody else. But I think you can make equally strong cases for Trump and for Hillary and equally wrong cases for both of them because everything, cause it's funny. it's funny, I'll ask you the same question,

Starting point is 01:15:45 but just from what we've talked about here, my sense is you're going to vote for Hillary in the most begrudging possible way. I don't think I am. If I was going to vote for Hillary, So think about this. I would have to have a way that I could justify supporting her,

Starting point is 01:16:03 not just a way that i didn't feel like trump should be the president it's in my mind for the system it's it's it's it's far better if it's not even it doesn't make sense i i think i definitely think my options are either voting for gary johnson or writing someone in. Yeah. And I don't think Gary Johnson should be president. No, I know. And look, he's not going to be, so you can do that in clean conscience. But if he was president, look, the guy did a great job as a governor of New Mexico. And I mean, what I find disagreeable about him is so much different than what I found

Starting point is 01:16:39 disagreeable about George Bush. And George Bush was a president for eight years. What I find disagreeable about him is only his lack of preparedness. But I think he's a very disciplined guy. I just don't think he prepared well enough about foreign policy and about a lot of other issues. And I also think the pressure of the national media and the spotlight of that was something uniquely, the gotcha journalism, something unique that he had not experienced before. So think how depressing that is with everything going on here and for as much as you and i are in this thing like in it in a public way that we're but

Starting point is 01:17:10 we both maybe will begrudgingly the day before the election kind of be like ah we're gonna vote for the guy that definitely can't win i mean think about the sh*t that you've just said about hillary that is seriously damning sh*t really damning sh*t now look sam harris who's one of my heroes who i know you've had on a zillion times and i've had him on and he did the best sell job he could on hillary he's he's supporting her and i think he's not really well it's mostly trump's a f*cking he did a whole article about the the word you know the two the best of two evils or i mean not a whole article a whole podcast about it right and i I think he makes some good points about that. He absolutely does.

Starting point is 01:17:47 And look, I hold him as high as I can hold another another person. But I think that maybe the best way this could go down is that if you don't want to, if you're really afraid of what could happen with Trump, that you that it's just like the rules have just changed forever. And that just doesn't sound right. That Trump would be president. I United States, this reality TV star. If you're really, really afraid of that, I think the best argument for Clinton then would be that get her in the system basically keeps chugging along and then good liberals and decent conservatives and libertarians and the people that really aren't on the fringes that are dragging everybody apart. You know what I mean? Like the real regressive left people and the real alt-right people, but everyone else kind of comes together and says, we're going to change things over the next couple of years. And I'm giving you real like kind of pie in the left with one day to go in this f*cking thing. But but that's what I would say is that it's become obvious to me over the course of this.

Starting point is 01:18:48 The average conservative who I may disagree with on taxes or abortion or whatever, they're not my enemy. They're not as a liberal. They're not my enemy. And we can find we have to find room to be OK with other people. This this whole election is just a result of not being OK, of demonizing everybody to the point that they're evil. And then what did we end up with? We got this. So the best argument for Hillary, I think, is let her have four years. The whole thing's going to be scandal-ridden no matter what.

Starting point is 01:19:16 You think this is about not letting people just do their own thing? Like, that's a big part of what this is? What do you mean? When you say, explain what you just said about the whole reason why we're in this we're in this position because we've got because over the last However long because of cable news because of Twitter because of all of that all everyone caters their news to themselves and then demonizes Everybody right so everyone on the right will tell you that they're all libtard leftists socialist Marxist blah blah blah and Everyone on the left will tell you that they're all libtard leftists, socialist, Marxist, blah, blah, blah. And everyone on the left will tell you that they're all racist, white supremacist Nazis.

Starting point is 01:19:49 Yeah. And it's like neither one of those things are true. And there could be, you know, it's like when people argue about abortion and it's like everyone on the left will say that the people on the right, they're against abortion. They hate women. And people on the right will say that people on the left are for abortion. So they hate babies. And guess what? It's not really true. Either one of those, you got to realize that we, there's much more in common that we all have. I know, you know, there's like, obviously like that's not rocket

Starting point is 01:20:14 science. And we have to realize that people can have different political opinions and that you can still find some room. There is some place Democrats and Republicans used to work together. There is some place Democrats and Republicans used to work together. Yes. Well civility and just Common the common bond of being American and being so incredibly fortunate to be born on this awesome patch of dirt Yeah, I mean that's that's really what we are. We're the lottery winners when it comes to the world Yeah, a lot of people disagree f*ck you kind of does better. Yeah, you know, there's a lot of people but you know But we just ignore them. Yeah, nice folks. Yeah that's where i'd live. I didn't live here. I live in canada or australia. Those are my two spots Well australia i've had a couple australians on places this sh*t. I f*cking love australia. I love the people I love the people over there. It's such a f*cking great place. Yeah

Starting point is 01:20:58 Melbourne is f*cking fantastic. Sydney is awesome It's just I I enjoy it. So i they have their problems too but yeah i had uh rita panahian who's a writer for the herald son in australia she's born in iran moved to uh australia now she's basically uh she's on the right in that she's you know she would be considered a republican here and she's actually fighting against immigration the way they're doing it there because she realized how good that country is. She says, Australia is the most tolerant nation on earth and we're now unfurling that tolerance

Starting point is 01:21:29 by allowing everybody in even if they don't believe the things we believe and even if they don't want to integrate and assimilate properly and all that stuff. Well, they're very hard

Starting point is 01:21:37 on illegal immigrants. They take illegal immigrants, they put them on a boat and they ship them to a f*cking island. Yeah, which is happening all over the place and they're sinking boats.

Starting point is 01:21:44 I mean, there are videos of boats trying to get to greece and they're just literally sinking right yeah um but but australia canada yeah there's some other places that are that are pretty good but the fight against people who disagree and the demonization i completely agree with you on i think that we have a real problem with teams we have a really real tribal mentality when it's a team of the right or a team of the left or even a team of the independents. I've been seeing so many people and I've been so disappointed with so many people ignoring all the things that Clinton has done and using that hashtag. I'm with her, especially my friends that are women that are really excited about having the first women president. I'm like this one.

Starting point is 01:22:24 This this is the one you want. Like this is, this is like, if you wanted to have the first woman president, like, wouldn't you want to have a woman who was like, look, Obama, when he ran for president was a perfect candidate in a lot of ways and a perfect response to George Bush. I mean, take away all the things that he didn't do that he had offered in his whole Hope and Change campaign, and there's so much that he went against, especially really disturbing stuff like the whistleblower thing. He was offering support for whistleblowers and saying that if people were doing illegal

Starting point is 01:22:58 activity and they exposed that, they would be protected, which has been absolutely not the case. That, to me, is super disturbing. And I think, as many people have said, he's going to be on the wrong side of history when it comes to that stuff. But I don't know how much control or power they really have. I don't know. I don't know what kind of influences the president really has in that position.

Starting point is 01:23:15 But my point is, he was a great candidate. Hillary Clinton is not a great candidate. She's just not. She's a scary person in a lot of ways. All this sh*t that she's been saying about Russia being a part of the attack and the hacks on her email server and the DNC, that's all bullsh*t. Well, think about it. It's been proven. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:23:33 But she keeps saying that. Yeah. She's offered up the fact that she would respond militarily, militarily against Russia for her writing a bunch of f*cked up sh*t in emails and getting caught for it Right so the way you know that it's actual bullsh*t And you're not just you know given hyperbole there is that if they were doing the things that now the Hillary campaign is claiming and They do it very care. They're very careful with their words where they never flat-out Condemn them for say you know it's but it has to be coming from the Russians and It's all it's all you know it's a magic trick to keep you off the topics of the emails,

Starting point is 01:24:07 which is really the stuff we should be talking about. But you, the way, you know, it's really not real is that if it was real, let's say there was real evidence, the CIA or the FBI or NSA or whatever had real evidence that Russia was genuinely rigging our elections either with Trump or without Trump or whatever it, that would truly be an act of war. At this point, that would be an act of war. And Obama would have to be talking about it endlessly. Yeah. Because that's-

Starting point is 01:24:31 Not only that, like the term rigging the elections and interfering with the- When you say Russia, do you mean a guy in Russia? Right. Like, because that's like a guy in America could have hacked into that sh*t. Right. Do you mean Putin directly, the government? Or do you mean Russian hackers? A Russian citizen.

Starting point is 01:24:46 A person who has no connection whatsoever to the Russian governor who may have gotten your sh*t. Yeah. So what about this? Have you thought about this? So all this stuff comes out, WikiLeaks. Let's go on the assumption that Hillary's going to win tomorrow. Okay. What if, and I say this with, I always quote Carl Sagan on this one, which is extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Starting point is 01:25:01 I always quote Carl Sagan on this one, which is extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. But what if WikiLeaks or the Russian government or whoever this is, right? What if they're saving the real sh*t until she's president? Wouldn't they release it today? No, but not if you really wanted to blackmail the president of the United States.

Starting point is 01:25:19 Blackmail. Yeah. If they wanted to black, like they want money or something, or they want some favorable trade agreements or whatever. No, no, no. That you release enough so that she's damaged. Now she gets into the White House.

Starting point is 01:25:34 And then either you start continually leaking more, because I suspect they've got plenty more. You continually leak more to hamper her. Or you actually then have some sh*t over her. Like, what if there's some real sh*t? You know, she facilitated, you know, something worse in Libya or, you know, like some other thing. And then they could potentially have some sh*t on her, which then could actually lead to a war with Russia. Again, I'm just that fully. I fully throw the Carl Sagan caveat out there when I say that. But you have to think like they have a political motive.

Starting point is 01:26:01 They're not they're not a political organization. Clearly, they want to damage Hillary. So I think there's something there. You're giving me the skeptical eye, which is great. Yeah, I think that's a lot of speculation. I think if they had anything big, it would have already been out. We've got a couple hours left.

Starting point is 01:26:17 Don't buy it. I think they would have released it yesterday. Well, maybe not on Sunday. Nobody's paying attention. But I just think that there's no way they would have waited this long like the FBI saying that they're going to reopen the investigation was one of the most damaging things and that came from the investigation of Anthony Weiner it had nothing

Starting point is 01:26:34 to do with WikiLeaks yeah it came from just them looking into this other creep and finding out that he's sending his dick pics to some 15 year old girl or whatever the f*ck he was doing yeah I just don't think there's anything there. I think what we've seen, we've already seen. So you think we have it?

Starting point is 01:26:49 We really have... I think the most damaging thing, in my opinion, was Colin Powell's impression of her. That was horrific because Colin Powell is such a respected person. You very rarely hear anything negative about him, and he essentially said that she's a moron. I mean, not not a moron an intelligent person whose hubris f*cks up everything which is you know a

Starting point is 01:27:09 way of being a moron yeah and that you know he'll think about bill out dicking bimbos yeah hilarious you know and he still is and then when Donald Trump brought those women then he you know he's allegedly sexually assaulted and he brought them and even raped yeahedly brought them to the debate and had them sit there. There's a photo of a bill looking over at those women. Have you ever seen that? I've seen it. What in the holy f*ck was on his mind when he took, when the impression, you know, that he's giving while he's looking over at those women like that. So doesn't that go to why people are voting for Trump? Yes, it does. So one of my best friends, since I'm four years old, does not care about politics at

Starting point is 01:27:49 all. Could not care less. I don't even know that he could name the vice president. He has been all in on Trump. I've never talked more politics with him ever in our entire lives. My best friend, he's completely apolitical. He's not big on the government in general. He doesn't care if you, he doesn't care what you do. Don't hurt him. That's it. Live and let live. He's not big on the government in general. He doesn't care what you do. Don't hurt him. That's it. Live and let live. I don't think he's ever voted.

Starting point is 01:28:09 I mean, he's a great guy, but he just has nothing to do with politics. He's been all about Trump because his whole thing is the system is so gross. We all know it. And now the guy's exposing it. And he's willing to take that risk of what that might mean. Isn't that sort of what Scott Adams is saying as well? Yeah. That's basically the thrust of it,

Starting point is 01:28:28 that people are just saying, we all knew it was f*cked up. Now someone's showing it to you, but you don't like how he behaves. You don't like how he talks about puss*. You don't like that he says mean things to Rosie. All truly gross things. I'm not defending any of those things.

Starting point is 01:28:44 But when someone's actually pulling the curtain, showing you the wizard, and now the wizard's a little weirder than you like, and they go, forget that. Like, let's pull the curtain back and get another curtain. And that's what they're all afraid of. They're afraid of, this is their chance. And if they blow it,

Starting point is 01:28:57 it'll never, that the machine will just swallow everybody up. I don't think the machine's swallowing sh*t. I think what we're seeing is the inevitable demise of a system That's wholly incompatible with the internet. Yeah, I think I love that that that's what's happening That's what's happening. This system cannot exist in a world where I think all Communication within the next 20 years is going to be transparent your emails to Jamie

Starting point is 01:29:23 You know your tweets to your mom, whatever the f*ck you're doing. It's all to be transparent. Your emails to Jamie, your tweets to your mom, whatever the f*ck you're doing, I think it's all going to be transparent. I don't think, I think what the internet is providing and what modern communication is providing is almost instantaneous access to data and to the way people feel

Starting point is 01:29:42 and express themselves. And what we were talking about earlier, these little pops of popcorn, they're going to boil up to a gigantic. It's going to technology is not going to stop here. It's not like what we can do now is as much as we're going to be able to do in the future. No, it's going to continue to progress. And it's going to get to a point where there's not going to be deception is going to be impossible.

Starting point is 01:30:01 So that's what it is. That's what it is. Cable news is deceiving everyone. We know they're deceiving everyone. They're sleeping with the people they're supposed to be impossible. So that's what it is. That's what it is. Cable news is deceiving everyone. We know they're deceiving everyone. They're sleeping with the people they're supposed to be taking care of all, you know, supposed to be watching. Sorry.

Starting point is 01:30:10 And now we're exposing it. So think about just what we've done here. Whether if we got one decent point in the, in the, however long we've been sitting here, if we got one thing out 15 years ago, you could not do this. You could not have two people fully unfiltered for this amount of time doing

Starting point is 01:30:26 what we're doing. So if we manage one cogent point in this whole thing, that's more than you could have got out 15 years ago. Well, it's definitely more than you're ever going to see on networks because networks have an obligation and they have an agenda. And I was going back and forth and I tweeted about this. I was going back and forth between Fox News and CNN one night. I just sat in front of the TV. My wife and kids were out. And so I was just sitting in front of the TV, stoned as f*ck, flipping through the channels, going back and forth between CNN and Fox.

Starting point is 01:30:55 And I was goddamn bewildered. I was like, I'm watching two different worlds. You're on two different planets. It's like there's two different parallel universes. And in one parallel universe, Hillary Clinton is the savior of the world. And the other one, she's a monster. And Bill Clinton's a rapist and a sexual predator. And these women are a bunch of bimbos who just came out against Donald Trump.

Starting point is 01:31:14 And they're all puppets. And Gloria Allred's in on it. All this craziness. And I'm like, what would a person think if this is their first exposure to human beings? If an alien came here from another planet and their first exposure to human beings was looking at this process to decide who controls the button that has all the nuclear weapons of the world pointed at various countries. I mean, this is insanity. And this is an insane way to communicate. This is insanity, and this is an insane way to communicate.

Starting point is 01:31:50 So how do we then, as the neos of this, of this matrix, right? How do we then keep emboldening? I mean, I guess we just have to keep doing what we're doing. There's an inevitable process going on, and it's going to overwhelm what we consider to be normal communication. It's going to overwhelm what we consider to be normal communication. Yeah. It's going to overwhelm that. And right now, I think we're at a very early stage of this technological progression. And I think we're looking at it in terms of the internet and devices and phones and laptops and sh*t.

Starting point is 01:32:19 But I think new technology is going to emerge that's going to... Look, no one would have ever thought that you would have people addicted to a phone just 20 years ago. No one would have ever even considered the idea of being addicted to a phone, that you would go to a restaurant and 80% of the people would just be on their phone. And no one likes it when you bring it up. If you say to them, hey man, want to get off your phone? Like, f*ck dude, I got important emails coming through. Everybody gets mad. It's like, you know, you're like saying, hey, do you really need that drink?

Starting point is 01:32:47 I f*cking want that drink. It's the same goddamn feeling. People are responding to an addiction. But this is just step one, man. This is step one of an ultimate complete invasiveness. There's going to be some new technology, whether it's a neural implant or whether there's some other device that we're going to wear But there's going to be something that connects us far more intimately with each other than what we're experiencing now Which is a pretty goddamn intimate. Yeah, wouldn't it be nice? I had a guy who's running for the transhumanist party

Starting point is 01:33:20 Yeah, so that's what we taught me we spent as I'm sure you did we spent the hour basically talking about all that that think about it We're not talking about it this look it's not that this sh*t's happening tomorrow Yeah, instead of talking about grabbing puss* and emails we should be talking about some of these things Some of these actual things that are going to shape our lives and we don't talk about any of this stuff And then the sh*t just happens Yeah And then we instead of talking about it and preparing ourselves, we react,

Starting point is 01:33:46 but we need to do a little legwork so that when this stuff comes, whatever it is, we have to be ready for it. And we don't. So one day the robots will be here and we're going to be bowing down to them because we didn't do the legwork to go, ah, you know what?

Starting point is 01:33:57 They were going to turn on us. We should have, uh, well, I don't necessarily know if the robots are going to turn on us. Like that's the big concern that a lot of people have. Stephen Hawking, Elon Musk, the artificial intelligence. I think before then, we're going to integrate.

Starting point is 01:34:10 I mean, I think before virtual reality, you're going to have augmented reality. And I think that augmented human beings, human beings that are augmented with technology, that's really going to be what's going to separate us from what we are now, which is essentially the monkey holding the device. I think the device is going to be in the monkey. Yeah. Well, look, Zoltan's got the chip in him, and it can open his garage door. He was talking about a guy, you know, he knows a guy that wants to chop his arm off to get

Starting point is 01:34:34 the bionic arm to be able, you know, and get Wi-Fi in your arm. Woo! Yeah, and then somebody hacks into your arm. The Russians are going to hack his arm. He's going to jerk his own dick off. I was just going to say, you know what Wiener's going to do with his dick when it's a robotic? Oh, boy. Yeah, you think we're in your arm. The Russians are going to hack his arm. He's going to jerk his own dick off. You know what Wiener's going to do with his dick when it's robotic? Oh, boy. Yeah, you think we're in sh*t now. I think Wiener should go into stand-up.

Starting point is 01:34:50 I've been saying that for years. He's a really good public speaker. He's obviously f*cked up. He's got all the traits, you know? He's got everything going on that would get him into stand-up. I think he's probably pretty f*cking funny. He looks funny. Yeah, he looks funny. Yeah, he's got a great face for it. Yeah, yeah. He's in the wrong line of business. Politics are essentially show business for ugly people.

Starting point is 01:35:08 Guess what? So is comedy. Yeah. Comedy, you know, there's been some really not very good looking people that have done a wonderful job of telling jokes and becoming famous. I think we look pretty good relative. Relative. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:35:19 I mean, I haven't even been doing stand-up much in the last couple of years, but I think relatively speaking, we got to be on the higher end of. Relatively speaking. Tosh is probably number one, that handsome bastard. That bastard. Beautiful hair. f*ck that guy. Beautiful man.

Starting point is 01:35:30 There's a few of them like that. Sebastian, he's a good looking goddamn guy too. There's quite a few, but now more so than ever in the past. Yeah. But what happened to the fat, slovenly comedian? Louis C.K. No, but I'm talking the- Louis C.K. embraces it.

Starting point is 01:35:44 I'm talking Louis Anderson. Louis Anderson. Yeah. I, but I'm talking the Louis C.K. Louis C.K. embraces it. I'm talking Louis Anderson. Yeah, and he just, I was happy that he won that. Ralphie May. Yeah, that he won the Ralphie May, right? Yeah, Ralphie May takes it to a whole new level.

Starting point is 01:35:52 Yeah. He's like the Bruce Lee of fat stand-ups. Well, there you go. Yeah, that's not something you wouldn't say in front of him. No. He's fat.

Starting point is 01:36:02 I would. He would, too. He's fat. He knows what he is. Yeah. It's not the worst thing't say in front of him. No, I would he would do that. You know, he knows what he is Yeah, it's not the worst thing in the world Maybe well, whatever. I just I Honestly believe that we're at a tipping point in in human civilization And I think that what this election is exposing is how ridiculous our process is that our process was created by people who used to

Starting point is 01:36:22 Write with feathers. Yeah, you know, I mean it really was it was created by people who used to write with feathers. You know, I mean, it really was. It was created by people who rode horses to get around. And, you know, they needed a representative government because there was no f*cking way you're going to be able to talk to someone in Missouri. It would take forever. And so they needed someone to talk to those people and then get the word back to Washington. We don't need that anymore.

Starting point is 01:36:38 It's an archaic system. And that archaic system is in many ways being exposed. I made a tweet recently or an Instagram post about this guy that was going over the electoral map like a storm was coming. And he was like pointing at all the states. And I was like, this guy's like talking about storms. He's talking about like he's doing a forecast. This is so bizarre what we're seeing now. Well, you're so right.

Starting point is 01:36:59 I mean, just on the technology front and how we vote, it's like every state has two senators. And the reason they did it back then was because they wanted to make sure that the states like Montana that have nobody living there had some sort of representation. So they needed to make sure that the train with the president campaigning would actually make it there or the horse and buggy or whatever it was. And it's like now it's all changed. So everything being equal, even though I'm not for changing a lot of the, the, I certainly wouldn't be for changing the constitution, but like the fact that Montana has two senators and California has two senators, California has like that, what is it like the 10th biggest economy in the world, right? Something like that. So it's like, that's not right. You know, technology has changed. So it's not necessary anymore. The people in Montana can hear all the same sh*t that the people in California have.

Starting point is 01:37:43 So there are things that are happening now that the system, because it's so ingrained and because the people that control it and the money. And I don't even think that's a conspiracy. I think that's just the way things work. It's just it's become ingrained. You know, what we love about the Constitution has essentially already been violated. You know, by the Patriot Act, the Patriot Act to the NDAA. You know, by the Patriot Act, the Patriot Act 2, the NDAA, there's a lot of weird sh*t that's already in place that kind of takes away from the things that the founding fathers had set up to make sure that tyranny was never embraced. We have these things that we established a long time ago that we think of when we think of what the United States is.

Starting point is 01:38:23 Freedom of speech. You have a right to a fair trial. Well, you don't anymore. With the Patriot Act and with indefinite detention that was provided by the NDAA, they could kind of put you in jail for whatever. They decide they put you in jail because you represent a threat or that you are on a terrorist watch list or whatever. And if they decide that you're a threat to America, you really don't have the right to a trial. They can just lock you up. I mean, look at what the f*ck they did to Chelsea Manning. I mean, to this day, she just tried to commit suicide again, apparently. Yeah. This whole, I mean, that to me disturbs me almost as much as anything, the way Julian Assange is like trapped in a house in London and can't leave.

Starting point is 01:39:05 He's in an embassy. So what does that tell you then about the progressives that were all about this, right? They were all about Chelsea Manning. They were all about getting all the information. When it was all breaking, I was completely with them. I'm all, you know, like, look, I believe that governments should be transparent, but there is some sh*t. Are you with me on this?

Starting point is 01:39:21 That some sh*t has to go down that we can't know about. Yeah, like that's, I just think it's when people want everything to be fully transparent it's like but the problem is who gets to keep those secrets and why the regular folks why does a regular person get to keep those secrets over the american people well i don't know who i don't know what the right answer to that is other than there has to be you can't have everyone walking around with all the knowledge that's the problem and i think someday than there has to be, you can't have everyone walking around with all the knowledge. That's the problem. And I think someday that's going to be inevitable.

Starting point is 01:39:48 That's what I'm saying about technology. That eventually it'll just unfurl the whole thing. The bottleneck is there. And I also think the bottleneck is going to occur with money because I think money right now is really just numbers. I mean, money isn't backed by gold anymore. It's just numbers.

Starting point is 01:40:03 It's just numbers on the, well, so that means it's data. So that means it's information. And information, it's going in the direction that information is eventually going to be completely transparent. You're going to be able to share information back and forth. I don't know if we're going to be able to hold on to this concept of money. I think the concept of money that we in our it's connected to civilization and that in itself is only a few thousand years old I mean if you look at the invention of money before that it was sort of like trading and goods and services or whatever it was you're going back what 20,000 years 30,000 years human beings been around for a long f*cking time culture's been around

Starting point is 01:40:41 for a long time I thought like 10, whoa. I thought like- 10,000 years. Yeah, 2,000. But human beings in this current state are incredibly recent, where we're not even dealing with gold anymore. Now we're just dealing with numbers. I think the next step is that you can't keep track of that anymore. The next step is it's just going to be a resource-based economy, meaning that people are just going to be sharing and trading in resources. And we're going to have to figure out some way to quantify those resources and quantify your value and I don't think out there and then in the castles in Connecticut, you have these people that have just figured out a way to move numbers around. That's all they're doing. Yeah. They're moving numbers. They're playing tricks with the system, basically.

Starting point is 01:41:35 Yes. They're extracting money from a broken system. Well, that's why I think that, you know, even when people come after Trump on the money stuff, the whole thing with the $918 million and the write-off and all that. Now, look, don't know we haven't seen his taxes. He made it the election tomorrow. He made it without you How did he do that? He because again, it's just trolling the system But you remember when when Howard Stern was running for governor and it's forcing him to reveal his taxes and he went f*ck you I'm out. Oh, remember that was that what happened to him to drop basically Howard's a very wise guy Yeah, so I would I would imagine that he knew that was going to happen. He didn't really want to be governor anyway.

Starting point is 01:42:09 But when he was running for governor, that was the hurdle. They told him he had to expose his taxes. To Howard's credit, and I love, love, love Howard. You know, did you see a couple of weeks ago, people were asking him to release all the Trump interviews from all the years, from the 20 years. And he said no I'm not gonna do it because

Starting point is 01:42:27 When people came and come to my studio, it's we're playing a game sort of we're talking about women We're and and it would add nothing to this and and Donald Trump was a good sport about it So for me to betray that it would be betraying my own self I thought it was a pretty great principled statement by him. That is great. It's also taking it out of context. Yeah, completely out of context. The context of being on the Stern show. They did use some of the stuff that he said

Starting point is 01:42:51 about supporting the war. So I think somebody else had that video, but I guess there's apparently an archive full of stuff that I guess he owns or something. Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, I mean,

Starting point is 01:43:02 there's a time and a place for things, but there's also, you have to think that this guy was not running for president back when he was saying those things. He was just being a silly man on a silly show where it's all about humor. You know, being a good sport and playing a role, as Howard put it. Maybe you're paraphrasing him, but I think that's that's pretty accurate yeah he was playing yeah he was playing the game i thought that was a look he would have had an opportunity to get him in the mix again you know may you know more publicity for him and he said no that's not that's not what the purpose of what i've built here for the last 40 years is and i'm not going to throw in on this garbage yeah so i thought it was pretty good well you know i'm sure he probably realizes that if he ever decided to run for government in any form now the same thing would be used against him But what does that say and that's not that's not him, you know who he is is when you ask him

Starting point is 01:43:51 What are your well considered opinions on things right now? And then you know they whoa in 1989 you said, you know that this person's of monkey and you know I think how f*cking dangerous that is Yeah of monkey and you know and but think how f*cking dangerous that is yeah so from the from the limited amount that that i know you i you seem to me to be an extremely principled person you have a code that you live by you you care about honesty and and being forthright and and all of that stuff right think of all the things that you've said here about doing drugs or sex or blah blah blah someone like you would never want to run for president ever. We could you even possibly fathom running?

Starting point is 01:44:26 Well, I wouldn't want the job But if I did if I did run I did I don't want to but if I did they would definitely use all that stuff Of course, and that's why context is so incredibly important Yeah and this is also an incredibly new thing with human beings being able to extract little sound bites from things that you said and Whether it's a tweet from Justine Sacco or whatever the f*ck it is, and then say, this defines you. This moment, this one moment defines you. This one moment where someone cuts you off and you go, you f*cking c*nt, and you lay on your horn.

Starting point is 01:44:56 This is Dave Rubin. That's it. Do you want Dave Rubin running your country? What if that was your mom that cut off Dave Rubin? What if that woman was headed to the hospital what if her baby was dying in the back seat and dave rubin called her a c*nt i mean you know that's the world we're living in thank you that was very good thank you i'm trying to i'm just throwing a little little uh whatever yeah yeah i just think that that's the problem that's

Starting point is 01:45:20 the problem that you can't think of i mean even i'm not all i'm doing right now is saying what i think as it comes out of my brain. Right. I'm not freaking me out. It's wild, but it's all freaking me out. But that's all we're doing here. But anyone, anyone that doesn't like us or wanted to discredit us or anything and, you know, not to bring it back to Sam again. But, you know, the types of things that the that people with really awful intentions have done with misquoting him and all that stuff. And that thing needs to be destroyed.

Starting point is 01:45:45 That outrage monster that will find one thing that you did or said once to then destroy every other piece of goodness that you've put out there must end. And that is a big piece of what's happening here too. I also think discourse in particular, like discourse against Sam, is what a lot of people are doing.

Starting point is 01:46:02 They're playing a game and Sam has a high profile and they're using their voice to attack that high profile to make a move on the castle. You know, it's like they're moving chess pieces around and they're using strategy and they're saying, well, he said this about Islam, you know, and do you understand how many billions of people are peaceful Muslims and how offensive this is to say that they, you know, and that's what they're doing. They're taking these positions and they're also taking these positions in a weird way, because there's something about writing a blog. It's a very cowardly thing when you're attacking someone because they don't respond. They just, I mean, you want someone to respond back in a blog, you're requiring an

Starting point is 01:46:40 incredible amount of their time to sit there and formulate another blog. But you know that, that it's a one-way dialogue. Like someone writes attack blog on dave rubin yeah they that's a very cowardly thing because what they're doing is they're sort of forcing you to respond by establishing a false narrative or by portraying you in an unfavorable light by taking things out of context and using them and i do people do it against it against me. And it's almost, it's funny when you read it, like, wow, this is weird. Yeah, or that someone spent so much thought on extrapolating something that you said

Starting point is 01:47:12 that you didn't either mean or, it's like, wow, you really went deep on my psyche in a way that had nothing to do with it. So you know this guy Mike Cernovich by any chance? Yes. Okay, have you had him on? No, I have not. I'm going to smoke some pot.

Starting point is 01:47:24 Yeah, smoke some pot. This is all freaking me out. I'm getting freaked out forever. I can't smoke the sativa. Sorry about that. No, you're fine. So Mike Cernovich, I've had on my show.

Starting point is 01:47:33 He's big within the, he's the pro-Trump guy. And I'll try to make this really deep so that you can really appreciate it, dude. Anyway, from having him on, I got more sh*t than anyone else that I've had on. Because you had him on? Because I had him on,

Starting point is 01:47:49 because he's thought of as part of the alt-right. Apparently, he had tweeted like three years before I had him on the show. I didn't even know who he was until about two weeks before I had him on, but about three years before that, he had tweeted something that sounded like he was a rape apologist,

Starting point is 01:48:04 but it was either a bad joke or it was a little unclear or worded clums like he was a rape apologist but it was either a bad joke or it was a little unclear or worded clumsily or whatever remember what it was i we can we can probably find it pretty quick but i don't i don't remember exactly what it was but then suddenly i got all these people saying you see ruben had a rape apologist on he must hate women or something you know something to that effect and it's like what you guys are doing is just you're picking okay so should i let you pick who i talk to you know and it's like what you guys are doing is just you're picking okay so should i let you pick who i talk to you know and that's like you should have the guy on you'll get a certain amount of hate for it but you'll have a really interesting conversation with him haven't

Starting point is 01:48:34 you had people that you've communicated with that you thought were one way and as you got to know them better and better you found out some stuff they had said and you went, whoa, hold on. There's some things that people say that is just absolutely inarguable. You can't support it. There's certain things that people have said that's inexcusable, right? Of course. And you might come across those too. So I could see the point of taking some things and maybe they might be even out of context and using that to sort of like say at the very least

Starting point is 01:49:06 Consider this sure, but as an as an interviewer, you're not you're not you or I are not held to if we had to Basically vet every person that we ever sat down with for every thought that they had three years ago on Twitter We would be have a pretty f*cking lonely life. Well, I've had some pretty offensive people on, for sure. I've gotten a lot of sh*t for the Milo interviews. I've gotten a lot of sh*t for some other people that I've had on, too. So Milo, I really like Milo. I've had him over for dinner. I've gone out with him. I think

Starting point is 01:49:34 he's a good guy. He says sh*t that I would not say. But it's working. That's why we're talking about him, much like Trump. Much like what Trump has done. Exactly. And then when they ban Milo, what do you do? You make him stronger. This drives an effect. You make him stronger. I spoke. I did a speech at UCLA with Milo. We're just a little back and forth chat thing. They had all of these kids outside. First of all, there were hundreds of kids trying to get in. But then there was this loud 200 kids trying to literally blocking people. So they're not against walls. They don't you know, they don't like Trump's wall, but they're okay with blocking a wall for other people to exercise their free speech and they're dumping garbage cans and spitting on cops getting in cops faces with cameras like just begging them to just flip in a second anyway we have this great chat um it was really funny actually at one point this girl

Starting point is 01:50:18 in the audience she just busts about halfway through starts screaming she got in a you know people weren't didn't know she was a protester she gets in she starts screaming i hate you i hate you blah blah so i stopped and i said i bet you actually we were going to do a q a at the end but i bet you right now if you ask milo one question that you really are burning or make one point i bet you he'll respond to you so i stopped the show ready for this so i said you have one point and the girl just goes i hate you And it was like Well, she's a kid But that's how stupid these people are

Starting point is 01:50:48 Are they stupid or are they just kids? Like, when you're talking about these kids that are protesting And stopping people from going into lectures Or some of these crazy feminists That have, you know, the scene from the University of Toronto Very famous thing Where they had this guy They completely misrepresented his opinions on things And they had painted this guy out to be anti-female and anti-woman

Starting point is 01:51:09 as some sort of a men's rights thing, which is a very bizarre thing. Like you have to deny that men's rights are applicable. Like they can't, if you can't be a feminist and also recognize men's rights, it's very, very bizarre. There's a thing going on where it's as much as trying to get back at the perceived winners of the world when you feel like you've been a loser of the world. That's where I think white privilege is coming from in a lot of this stuff. Not to deny that white people have it easier than black people in terms of dealing with racism. But it doesn't mean that those white people are racist. There's a lot of white people that are your allies. Like the real problem is the racist themselves, not people who aren't victim of the racist.

Starting point is 01:51:50 It's like saying that these people are lucky. Yeah, for sure. But painting it in some sort of a way like where these privileged people, they're assholes for allowing this privilege to even take place. The problem is always singular. Of place. The problem is always singular. Of course. The problem is racism itself. The racists themselves are the problem.

Starting point is 01:52:10 Not the people who aren't victim of it. It's the individual, not the collective. And this is what the left is doing that is literally destroying culture and destroying- I think it's a wave, man. Yeah. I think it's a wave. No, look, I don't- And I think it's going to pull back just like waves always do.

Starting point is 01:52:22 I think there's cycles to things. Yeah. I mean, I think that's why we went from the 60s to the 70s and the 70s to the 80s. I mean, I think this is what, I mean, it also responds to the condemnation of psychedelic drugs and the sweeping Schedule I Act that passed in 1970, which was directly attributable to Richard Nixon realizing that a lot of what was going on, a lot of people that are coming after him, were part of the psychedelic movement. All these Republicans started realizing, like, we have to stop this. The psychedelic movement will destroy our culture. You go from this Goldwater Republican era to all of a sudden you're dealing with freaks and hippies and Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin.

Starting point is 01:52:56 And they're like, stop the f*cking fire. They just threw as much water on as they could. They locked a bunch of people in jail and they created laws that made marijuana in particular and all these other drugs, they demonized them so that they could go after the civil rights movement, the people that were in charge of it, they got them for drugs. And so they would go after all these different anti-war protest movements. They would go after them for drugs too. And that schedule one classification of these things that weren't dangerous or deadly or

Starting point is 01:53:24 killing anyone was directly attributable to a strategy where they were going after people that opposed the Vietnam War, going after people that opposed the administration, clearly lying to them about all sorts of things. And that was before they even knew that the Gulf of Tonkin was a false flag, the original thing that got us into Vietnam. false flag the original thing that got us into vietnam so there's so many there's so much evidence that that this this way that people behave when they suppress things that it has there's a direct response first of all i mean if you attack someone they're wounded they're damaged

Starting point is 01:53:58 and then they rise up and they go after that attack and that's what you're seeing with the alt-right and i don't know if they're i don't agree with them on a lot of things they stand for. But I recognize it almost as if I, I'm not objective, right? I'm a person. I'm a human being like all of us. I have my own sh*t. But if I was outside of it, trying to look at it objectively, I'm like, oh, this thing goes like this.

Starting point is 01:54:18 And then it goes like that. And it goes like, it's like a f*cking swing. It's like a pendulum. It's like a yin and a yang. It comes in and it comes out. Yeah. And I think one of the things that's happening with this alt-right movement and these people that are really super conservative and like, build that f*cking wall, build that f*cking

Starting point is 01:54:34 wall. What you're dealing with is a response to what they perceive to be too much openness from the Obama administration. This f*cking, look, Obamacare, I don't know enough about it. I don't. I don't know enough about it. But I have friends that are doctors who f*cking hate it.

Starting point is 01:54:50 Yeah, I got a friend and doctor in Texas and he thinks it's destroyed his practice. And they spit when they talk to you and they get red in the face and then they have to stand back and take a drink. I mean, I know people that lost their practice. I know a chiropractor

Starting point is 01:55:02 who lost his practice because of it. So I think there's a lot of people that are upset at anyone who's the president. Anyone who's the president. If you don't get f*cking shot, I mean, this is a joke that I had for my last special. Who do we like? Kennedy and Lincoln. That's who we like. If you didn't get shot in the head, we're like, you f*cking sellout.

Starting point is 01:55:21 What did you do? I think that that is just the natural reaction we always have. And I think that's why we go left, right, left, right. I don't think it's a coincidence that we go right from George Bush to Bill Clinton to George W.

Starting point is 01:55:36 Bush. I don't think that's a coincidence. I mean, I think that's a very clear response with the company. The government's like, well, now we're this. And the people are like,

Starting point is 01:55:44 well, that doesn't f*cking work either. Let's try this. And then they swing back and forth. Well, then what do you make of what's happening now? She's very hawkish. So you think it actually is a swing back right? I think there's two factors here. There's the woman factor, which is gigantic because there's a lot

Starting point is 01:55:58 of women that vote and a lot of men are f*ck-ups. They're probably going to vote. I would imagine that women outvote men. I really think they probably do. I'm totally guessing let's find out I'd love to know but I would say that there's a slight advantage I would say that maybe it'd be like 46 54 for women in favor of women that more women vote but I think that you're you what you have also is there's no good choice here so this is a very unique situation you have this really strong anti-woman feeling that a lot of these gals get from donald trump especially now right

Starting point is 01:56:34 there's that there's the the again and that conversation that he had on that bus i've heard way worse from some people that i love and cherish very deeply, and they're trying to be funny, and they're saying f*cked up things that are totally ridiculously gross, and a lot of them are saying it because it's just you and me, and you and me, and we'll just talk some sh*t. Yeah, and by the way, words are not actions. And that's what people need to understand. If he did, let's see. There you go.

Starting point is 01:56:58 Women voted higher rates than men. That might help Clinton in November. See what the number is, Jamie. Yeah, there you go. What does it say? It doesn't say? It has different numbers here for each state.'t say Okay, there's not an overall No

Starting point is 01:57:11 So the idea though that words are in action So I'm not defending the grab the by the puss* and blah blah and he was sort of saying that he had done it in The past so if there's evidence that he had done those actions actually assaulted a woman there's no evidence unless you know women's vagin* is not made out of play-doh it's not like fingerprints that are permanent forever you know so that's fully legit but you can't prosecute him for just saying it that's my point is that words he said some sh*t that was gross right but it might not have been true yeah and that's my point it might not have been true so words and actions are two different things now maybe you can't prove those things because yeah they, they're not made out of Play-Doh.

Starting point is 01:57:45 But that's still, until it's provable, you can't, you can get outraged by it. I see your point. The problem is that just relying completely on the burden of evidence being like physical proof, you're dealing with an act of people touching each other's bodies. And it's just, there's not a whole lot of proof when it comes to that. So I agree with that. But then what do you do where does that put us because we know that some people when they when they give a rape

Starting point is 01:58:11 allegation you know we know that there's gonna be a lot of people that are telling you the absolute truth as they remember it there's also going to be crazy people that make things up there's going to be some spectrum in between those two things where you're going to have people that exaggerate situations. And I'm sure you've had it in conversations that you've had with people that maybe you've had a disagreement and they go to someone else and they completely refame the disagreement like you're a piece of sh*t. It's a common thing that people do. We love to do it and we love to do it for all kinds of things. And I've been guilty of it and I'm sure you have and everybody listening to this thing.

Starting point is 01:58:43 of things and I've been guilty of it and I'm sure you have and everybody listening to this thing I I'm sure as we are learning the very complicated game of communication with human beings and how much is involved in it the ego and personality conflicts and where you are in your life and your own stresses and frustrations and whatever the f*ck is going on whatever is going on in this big struggle that we're all involved in right there's not always a very clear perception of how events went down yeah so so you have to take that into consideration you also have to take into consideration the fact they might be telling the truth we do not know so it's not that there's no evidence because there's people that are talking it's just it's nothing you can put on a scale yeah and we don't know how to read minds

Starting point is 01:59:22 yet and the problem is if you read minds man, right? I've had some f*cking memories of things then I went back and looked at him again like a video or something I'm like, wow, I didn't even know I went to there Like we just went over that the other day. I was talking about Tommy Hearns versus Marvin Hagler She's like one of my all-time favorite fights. I would have swore was a second round knockout Yeah, no, they went to a third round Hagler knocked him out the third round I'm like how the f*ck did in my mind I would have told you I'll bet you a thousand dollars knocked him out in the third round. I'm like, how the f*ck did it? In my mind, I would have told you. I'll bet you $1,000. It was the second round, and I was wrong.

Starting point is 01:59:49 I remembered it. I remembered it wrong. There was moments in the fight where the fight's playing out. And this is something that doesn't have any attachment to me in my life, obviously. I'm not saying that someone's going to misrepresent their own memory. I'm not, especially someone who's involved in some sort of a violent crime where they're the victim. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:00:06 I don't know. Because I think that's got to be absolutely horrific. And it's entirely possible that some people can go through an assault or a crime like that and remember everything. And then there's other people that cannot. There's people that even black out horrible things because the memory is so disturbing to them that they have to, they, they block them out, especially molestations. A lot of people go through that later in life when they realize like what they were trying to suppress. Your brain is like literally trying to

Starting point is 02:00:35 save you from these memories because they're too f*cking painful. So what it does is it buries them. I don't know how it works. I don't understand it, but then people suddenly at 40, they go, wait a minute. It's a proven effect. It's a proven effect. So there's all these things that we need to take into consideration. I think there's also the very real cultural benefit of having our first woman president.

Starting point is 02:00:55 I think culturally. I just don't think that she's a good representative in terms of her need for financial compensation for speeches and the Goldman Sachs connection and the connection to the Saudis. I also don't have a f*cking clue as to what it's like to deal with foreign policy and foreign leaders.

Starting point is 02:01:13 And I don't know if that's even avoidable. But that's the thing. It's like, you know, people say, well, she's in bed with the Saudis or something. Well, guess what? The Saudis, whether we like it or not, who do horrific things and export all kinds of Wahhabism and real extremism and are bombing the sh*t out of Yemen and with our weapons and all kinds of stuff. Well, she also took a million dollars from Qatar. Qatar right now is using slave labor to build their World Cup stadium, which there may not even get the World

Starting point is 02:01:38 Cup. So it's like every, why did they give her a million dollars? It's for something, you know what I mean? It's not for nothing. You don't give a million dollars for no reason. So, but that again goes to like, we're seeing how all this sh*t is made right now. And the simple fact is if you're upset that she has a close relationship with the Saudis, then you got to hate Obama for it too. I'm not even making a judgment call on it as much to say is this. There are things that are going on at extremely high levels for governments and that we just have to try to decipher some truth to it because we're not going to get it other way. Saudi Arabia, women can't drive. They can barely go out without men. They are stuck in, as Bill Maher says, beekeeper costumes in the burqas. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:02:19 Right. I mean, all of these things. Well, how could they possibly be our ally if we're for women if Barack Obama is for women if Hillary Clinton is for women How is Saudi Arabia one of our most stable allies that we give a ton of money to if that's what it is the only thing that I would take into consideration is that If I was trying to figure this out as an outsider I would see there's got to be some benefit to keeping people like that connected to you and obligated to communicate with you and your friend.

Starting point is 02:02:51 But not just oil. Also establishing a non-combative relationship with a very, very wealthy Middle East country. That more could be done with honey than with vinegar. This idea of being connected with those people people there might be some sort of a benefit Because they're so alien to us and they're so dominant in their control of their environment Like you look at these dictators in this foreign these foreign countries that we supported for so many years and you can make the argument That they're horrible absolutely terrible people that we should have nothing to do with You could also make the argument that that part of the world is so f*cked up

Starting point is 02:03:26 that you have to somehow or another maintain some sort of friendly connection to the people that are in power. And then that might be the best way to keep everybody safe while we figure out a f*cking strategy, how to deal with religious fundamentalist crazy people that literally have trillions of dollars at their disposal to do anything they want. From the Saudis, by the way. Yes.

Starting point is 02:03:45 And not just from the Saudis. I mean, there's a gigantic chunk of the Middle East that has so much money, it's incomprehensible. And not everyone, just a few people, oligarchs, monarchs, and these people that have... Look, in Abu Dhabi, they make it rain every week. They make it rain. Yeah, literally. They literally seed the sky. They do cloud seeding and they make it rain. Like, it's the desert and they use their money to make it rain. Yeah, literally. They literally seed the sky. They do cloud seeding and they make it rain.

Starting point is 02:04:05 Like it's the desert and they use their money to make it rain. Like not a strip club. And they're not using ones. That wasn't hyperbole. It was actually real. Well, think about Egypt is the best example of what you're talking about because Egypt for 30 years had Mubarak. He was a military guy backed by the United States. Horrible on human rights and all that other stuff.

Starting point is 02:04:25 But he kept control of the country, basically kept their borders, kept peace with Israel, basically kept things under control. I was in Egypt in 97 and it was pretty disgusting. Actually, even going to the pyramids, it was the, the, uh, pollution was terrible. Uh, it was, the people weren't friendly. Like I would love to go back. I have a friend there now who I, uh, who's a YouTuber, a youtuber this guy Joe who public will show his face He's an atheist and a free thinker. Whoa If I could ever get him to the United States, you should have me here the guys really he's great And he does that like freely and openly in Egypt. Sometimes he disappears for months and then yes hide

Starting point is 02:05:00 He doesn't really publicly say exactly what he's doing But but I when I had him on the show i said him you know if you want to wear a spider-man mask you don't have to show your face you know you do whatever you want right and and he said no i want to show my face so anyway they had mubarak for 30 years he kept the muslim brotherhood they were illegal under the time then they have the tahrir square uh revolution what happens they we depot we partly they depose of mubarak they get the muslim brotherhood through democracy. And then a year later, they realize these guys are way worse.

Starting point is 02:05:29 So what they got from democracy was way worse. So then what happens? The military then steps in and then has a coup, overthrows the democracy. And now they have a military leader again. United States the entire time supported all of that. So it's like, this is the problem with with democracy and we know this from Iraq too. It's like you can give democracy but if the institutions aren't there ready to support it you could get a lot of bad people then and then you know it's just it's over. Like what the hell's going on. You mentioned Benghazi before. We got rid of Gaddafi who is obviously a bad dude. You have any idea what kind of government there is in Libya right now? Nobody knows. It's a scary state. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:06:08 That's a state of chaos. Right. So it was a state before that. Are you aware of Amber Lyon? And Amber Lyon, when she was working for CNN, and she did a piece on Bahrain. No, I don't think so. Notice I said Bahrain like an American, not Bahrain. Bahrain.

Starting point is 02:06:25 Thank you for dumbing that down for me. It's not that. I just don't want to be pretentious. Yeah. I was born in New Jersey. Like when Obama says Pakistan. Pakistan, yeah. Or Latinos.

Starting point is 02:06:34 Latinos. Well, now you have to say Latin X so that you're not, it's not Latinos. That implies men. Or Latinas implies women. Now you say Latin X because if you're a f*cking idiot. Why don't we call ourselves HumEx instead of Humans? It's coming. You just started it.

Starting point is 02:06:47 I like it. I'm a HumEx. That sounds dope. Yeah. What kind of species are there? HumEx. Yeah. Sounds like something.

Starting point is 02:06:54 There's male and female HumEx. Yeah. Because if you say human, right? It's so rude. It's rude. Why not human, man, man? History? What about her story?

Starting point is 02:07:04 I mean, come on, Joe. Yeah, man. What about her story? mean come on joe yeah man what about her story so amber lions because of her stories she does this um investigative piece on bahrain and uh cnn completely turns it into like a vacation and tourism commercial and they cut out all the bad stuff aired it and uh i don't remember if she... Jamie, do you remember if she got fired or if she wound up resigning? Do you remember? Anyway. That sounds like a resigning. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:07:33 I don't remember if she was fired or if she resigned. Yeah. I'm sorry. I don't remember. But the point is, she came on my podcast. She wrote a book. And she sort of explained what would really go on when you try to put together these pieces. And in defense of CNN, I know they had a rebuttal to what she said.

Starting point is 02:07:54 And they disagreed with her framing of it, her memory of it. I don't know. But it sounds to me like whatever stuff that she found that was very questionable did not make the air. And that's probably why. I mean, there was the CIA's talk pretty openly about having people that work in different news organizations where they sort of frame the news. Yeah. Well, look, that goes to everything we've been talking about. This all seems to be coming back to this idea of the online world and the old school thing.

Starting point is 02:08:23 Yeah. They're like starting to have parody now where what we're doing is as influential. You, Joe Rogan, is more influential than anybody on CNN in reality.

Starting point is 02:08:32 In the reality of... Yeah, but not Fox News. That Megyn Kelly. Megyn Kelly. Man, she, Megyn Kelly. She's so hot. If you weren't gay, dude, you would understand.

Starting point is 02:08:40 I'd still do it. I'd still do it. That's how hot she is. She's so hot. There's something violent about her. Gay dudes were like, God damn,

Starting point is 02:08:46 something violent, like masculine, like you would think of her as a man. I feel like she has a big dick. Wow. Yeah. It's in her brain though. It's in her brain.

Starting point is 02:08:54 She has a big dick in her brain. I don't think it externalizes. Yeah. You know they're trying to give her $20 million and she hasn't accepted yet. Good for her. You go girl. She's great.

Starting point is 02:09:02 Get that 40. Get 40. It's f*cking worth it. The network's useless without you. Wherever she goes, I'm watching. Isn't that crazy. She's great. Get that 40. Get 40. It's f*cking worth it. The network's useless without you. Wherever she goes, I'm watching. Isn't that crazy, though? I mean, think about it. Like, 20 million bucks.

Starting point is 02:09:11 She's got perfect cheeks. She does. She's got good cheeks, bro. She deserves it. She's a very good talker, too, man. She's good. She's very eloquent. Did you see that thing that you went at it with Newt Gingrich?

Starting point is 02:09:21 Oh, yeah. Newt Gingrich is a f*cker, isn't he? He's, you know, I have a little bit of a love-hate thing with him, because I do think he's reallyrich is a f*cker isn't he he's you know i have a little bit of a love-hate thing with him because i do think he's really smart he's very smart the guy's really smart he understands like when i talked before about like knowing what the role of government is and all that stuff that we should know more about in civics and all that like that guy gets it in and out and whether you agree with his politics or not he did do some stuff with the contract to america to with amer contract with America to move the country

Starting point is 02:09:45 in a certain way. I'm actually surprised he hasn't run for president. Well, he ran four years ago, and they basically, remember at that point when- Oh, that's right. That was the whole thing with his wife, and he left his wife, and she was sick, and married another broad. But in a weird way, he was the precursor to Trump, because do you remember that during those primaries, he was really good with zingers and with

Starting point is 02:10:06 some comedy and he would get the audience to applaud and cheer and boo talking about the media the media and they'd boo and hiss and then suddenly the moderators started saying every time there'll be no booing or applauding or and it's like sit there like a f*cking robot it's 1984 you know express your

Starting point is 02:10:21 disdain that's American they do it now and cheering is American they do it now in the debate Don't be Silence, you know, it's like cuz she'd be in jail Yeah, cuz you know you'd be in jail cuz you'd be in jail That was in my mind the best bomb ever dropped on a presidential debate next to I knew Jack Kennedy Yeah, you're no jacket. Yeah, remember that. Yeah, it's a great line. Against Dan Quayle. We don't even remember who the other dude is.

Starting point is 02:10:46 That was Lloyd Benson. Ah, that's right. Lloyd Benson. Yeah. Yeah. Man, politics. Doesn't that seem like another, that seems like something else. You talk about parallel universe.

Starting point is 02:10:56 It doesn't that. I watched, this is going to sound, this is going to be corny as hell, but about two weeks ago, I was sitting Saturday afternoon, I'm just flipping the channels. C-SPAN comes on. They're replaying the 1992 debate between George HW Bush Bill Clinton running for the first time and Perot and I watched about a half hour of it like three o'clock on a and bill and it was like wow there was actual it was about politics yeah maybe it was completely f*cked up maybe it was all bullsh*t and lies and all that stuff but it was about politics and that was only what is that that's 20 years ago basically yeah this is a different era this is the reality tv show era yeah i used to have this joke that I never figured out how to get to work, but it's sort of just an observation that there's so many people with shows where there's just a part.

Starting point is 02:11:50 Like this is like when Jersey Shore was around. Like we're going to have a show one day where it's going to be a reality show about a reality cameraman. And then we're going to follow that guy around as he goes to all these exotic places and films these people getting drunk on the beach. And then one day we're going to want to know who's the man behind the camera behind the man behind the camera? And then we're going to follow that guy around. He's going to get a reality show. It's going to be a reality show about a cameraman who's on a reality show about a cameraman who's a reality show cameraman. The spin-offs are endless.

Starting point is 02:12:19 And then it's going to go deeper and deeper and deeper until the whole world is filled with people on a reality show while they're holding up a camera. Like two mirrors facing themselves with infinite cameraman in each direction. That's what we have right now. That is a good weed. Well, this is what we have, though. It is good weed, but it's an old bit that I never figured out how to get to work. But the point being is this is what we're experiencing. This is what we're experiencing with phones.

Starting point is 02:12:42 It might not be on a network on Bravo coming up next at 8. It's Mike the cameraman on a reality show. It doesn't have to be by a network. It is what you're having with something like Periscope. It is what you're having when people are live Facebook streaming from amusem*nt parks or whatever the f*ck they're doing. It's a reality show. How do you blend how much of your joe rogan the actual human versus joe rogan the public person how do you where do you put that line like in

Starting point is 02:13:10 terms of periscoping from home or showing i don't do this or stuff because they're not public people yeah my wife and kids aren't public people yeah they don't want to be they're just regular people just because they know me doesn't mean i should drag them into this nonsense. Right. I just think all of us could do better with a little less interaction digitally. I think it's happening so fast that, you know, like we're talking about people at restaurants that are constantly on their phone. And when you check them on it, they get upset. I've been upset. People tell me to put my phone down.

Starting point is 02:13:42 I'm like, I got to do this. Yeah. It's normal. It's a natural reaction. I think we have i think um all of us are going to eventually though step into that great divide and the future is going to be everybody all the time connected to everybody all the time and it's going to be very weird i think it's going to change thought i think it's going to i think we really are going to become like some sort of bizarre hive mind.

Starting point is 02:14:06 Well, they do. They've done studies where the internet already, when they look at internet addicts, that they find that the wiring in their brain actually has changed. It's changed certain synapses. It's actually caused membranes to shrink and all kinds of stuff. Last, I think it was May, for eight days, and I never take off. I don't remember the last time I took some actual time off. I took eight days off,

Starting point is 02:14:29 went to Mexico. I locked my phone in a safe. Whoa. Actually, my husband did it. Locked the phone in the safe. I did not know the code. Whoa. And for eight days,

Starting point is 02:14:37 I sat on a beach. It was at an all-inclusive place in Cabo. That's like bondage. It was literally the dirtiest thing we've ever done. It's digital bondage. You want literally the dirtiest thing we've ever done. It's digital bondage. You want that phone? Yeah, it was really,

Starting point is 02:14:49 it was wild. But for eight days I had no phone and I kid you not, I mean, I felt my brain kind of resetting. Yeah. You know, I felt

Starting point is 02:14:57 some things happening and also I felt more, I felt more patient. I felt like, you know, in conversations where, you know, not like this, but where you're constantly just distracted by every little thing like I got away from it

Starting point is 02:15:08 And then when I got back on the grid you know cuz immediately the second I got off the plane And I was you know doing my thing I realized wow you know the world went on it was all right It was actually okay. Yeah, I missed some sh*t something something happened on my show that took that got a lot of news I didn't know about it for eight days But like the world went on. Yeah, it was just like some sh*t happened. Yeah, I mean, like I said, I'm not trying to judge people

Starting point is 02:15:31 who are using these things, using these devices. I'm just trying to talk about it as honestly as I can. Because I think it's almost inevitable. But I think for your own personal good, it has to be managed carefully. I think you have to take audit of all the stuff that's in your life and if you spend like i have an hour and a half just reading through tweets about like almost

Starting point is 02:15:53 nothing yeah and just looking for something interesting just constantly scrolling looking for something interesting like step away from that thing yeah because you you're impulsively me speaking me talking to me impulsively checking images on Instagram. What cool sh*t do people post up? You know, what interesting MMA news is out there right now? You know, what is the latest trending topics on Twitter? After a while, like, what the f*ck am I doing? How about my life?

Starting point is 02:16:18 What about me as a person? Like, what am I doing? I'm not even paying attention. Yeah. Well, that's why I framed it like that. Between Joe Rogan, the public person, and then actually the human that has to go ahead and live and do this operation and have kids and a wife and all those things. Those are two separate things. And yet you got to bring them somehow into harmony so that they can exist together. A big one's meditation.

Starting point is 02:16:38 Yeah. Thinking and meditation and thinking about what you actually want to do versus what your momentum is leading you towards. And for me, it's isolation tanks. That's the big one. You know, I have one in my basem*nt. I use it all the time. I think about things there in an undistracted way. And I take an evaluation of like how I'm thinking.

Starting point is 02:16:58 And I always like it. You know, it's one of the things that people don't like about getting high. And it's one of the things that people don't like about isolation tanks. Or yoga class, too. I was talking with my yoga instructor the other day, and, you know, she was saying it forces people to examine their sh*t. It does. It forces you to look at your stuff when you're struggling, you know? And yoga seems so easy when you just say the word.

Starting point is 02:17:19 It seems like something, oh, you're just grabbing your feet. No, it's f*cking hard, man. It's hard. That room is 104 degrees. Speaking of f*cked up, did you see that HBO Real Sports things with that Bikram guy? No. The interviewed Bikram yoga guy? Holy sh*t.

Starting point is 02:17:33 People are taking his name off their yoga studio now. Oh, he's killing people? No, no, no, no. He's just like a crazy f*ck who was saying that all these women have lied because he's been accused of sexual assault. And that people pay a million dollars for one drop of his sperm. He's like, one drop of my sperm. One million dollars they pay. Like he's crazy.

Starting point is 02:17:56 I mean, he's a guru, right? He's this yoga guru who's responsible for. It's really an excellent sort of analogy to how Weird and f*cked up human beings are that we are not perfect in any way shape or form You have this guy who brought this thing this Bikram yoga to America and he didn't create it It's been around for thousands of years and he tried to sue people for the patent and all the movements he lost He there was like you can't patent yoga. Mm-hmm, but this guy has brought yoga in in sort of Promoted yoga to who knows how many millions of people he's like one of the most directly responsible people for promoting this stuff

Starting point is 02:18:35 But then you see him as a person like he's a crazy f*ck He won't let people go to the bathroom You have to sit there and listen to him talk and if you have to go you're gonna go in your pants Like it's all like cult sh*t. It makes him stay up all night and watch Bollywood movies. It's like a f*ck He's a crazy man He's got Rolls Royces and sh*t and they busted him with all these cars and he said that he was gonna open up a school For children to learn automobiles. Oh, yeah, that's why I bought these Rolls Royce. Yes. Yes the school for underprivileged children with Rolls Royce It's amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing.

Starting point is 02:19:06 But I think. But that goes to the worship thing that we were talking about. And that's like, you see these people worshiping Hillary or worshiping Trump. And it's like, they are not going to solve all your problems. And not only are they not going to solve all your problems, they shouldn't. The president should keep the roads safe. The president should make sure nobody bombs us. The president should make sure the economy keeps chugging along just think about

Starting point is 02:19:26 jobs that you just said how's one person have those three important jobs that's f*cking crazy you get a guy for the roads you get there's a it's ridiculous you get the Department of something or are you gonna call them hey man you're doing your job yeah gotta go check these roads working you know flying Arizona let me see the road but that's the road road out. But that's actually the point. Like, they're not supposed to be our God. They're not supposed to be our emperor. They're supposed to keep the ship afloat.

Starting point is 02:19:52 But as human beings, as chimps, we want a God. We want, yeah. We want to bring JFK back to life. We want to clone him. And even him. He would never survive today. All the crazy sh*t that guy was up to. That's the point.

Starting point is 02:20:04 It's like... He would have made Wiener look like a Catholic schoolboy. She gave him an Instagram account. I think there's so many people like that that are complicated. They're not- We have this narrative that's been created by film and by books. We have this false narrative of this perfect human being, this John Wayne character who rides off in the sunset, this Clint Eastwood who are, you know, Sandra Locke is always waving goodbye to him as he rides off, you know, away from the Indians.

Starting point is 02:20:32 Like this is all a false narrative and it's created in such a potent way that our brains are stained by that. And we kind of expect that out of our leaders instead of, I think that's not the case in other countries like in europe in particular right in europe like in france like politicians they have f*cking affairs and sh*t and it was like running a brothel or something you know like they were having it's italy they're having yeah italy is another example it's a different world we've developed a very strange culture over here in america very strange and And in a lot of ways, confused culture, both in the positive and in the negative, you know, and both in,

Starting point is 02:21:08 you know, the condemnation of things that people like Trump have said, or, you know, people like Clinton have allegedly done and also our reaction to it. Like both of them were, were weird. We're just f*cking weird,

Starting point is 02:21:20 man. And I don't, I don't think we've really fully embraced our weirdness as a species yet i think that's part of the problem with being a president in the first place it's based on bullsh*t like it's it's based on the idea that you can give people power and they won't abuse it because of an ancient scroll that's really what it is someone many many moons ago before electricity they figured out how to make ink out of like bugs and sh*t yeah what they use charcoal the f*ck did they use to make ink i was

Starting point is 02:21:51 gonna buy the bugs that seems sensible and they just dip their quill into that and they would write on a scroll which by the way was mostly made out of hemp most of these hemp paper well look everyone is incredibly complex and it has to do with we're all flawed We all fail every day and succeeded other things you could look at look at Thomas Jefferson I was at my cousin got married near Monticello in Virginia where and that's you know that's where his house was and everything where he Where he lived and owned slaves and had sex with some of the slaves and one of the slaves Had sex with several of them. I think he was having a good time Yeah, but he did but think about that

Starting point is 02:22:23 He was writing the very laws that ultimately freed the slaves. While at the same time, in effect, you could argue, and I'm sure people have argued this, that he was raping a slave because if it is about power, even if she was fully down with it,

Starting point is 02:22:35 she was his slave. Absolutely. But at the same time, he was also writing the very laws to free them. That shows you how flawed all of us are that you could hate. You could hate him for, for owning slaves. You could hate him for having this relationship with this woman and all that. And at the same time, he was instrumental in writing the very laws that made us all equal. So that goes and, and you could, that's why it's so dangerous

Starting point is 02:23:03 when you look back on a different time and you try to apply our morality of today on other people. It's on other times. It's so dangerous because you could look at him and go, f*ck that guy. Let's let's erase every bit of history the way we did with the Dukes of Hazzard car and all that sh*t. And that's crazy. It's a thing that existed. Confederate flags go back to the generally. To the generally. Yeah, I think it should be on the car and tv land shouldn't have taken the show off the air You know what? I mean like bill cosby. I told you this last time I was here like that guy was my hero

Starting point is 02:23:34 I went into comedy because I was five years old and I saw bill cosby himself and he's talking about chocolate cake and you know Theo and vanessa and the whole thing and I thought it was the funniest f*cking thing ever and it changed my life it changed the course of my life now my childhood hero is the biggest serial rapist of all time of all time yeah that's depressing yeah that's another great example holy so really think about what goodness you could absolutely draw a line between bill cosby and barack obama you can clearly draw a line that if Bill Cosby and that show, they're both black, so there you go. No, but you could draw a line to say that if that show had not been on NBC primetime and he not done that, that middle-class upstanding family, that was incredibly funny and all the great stuff about Cosby, that that led to eventually 20 some odd years later,

Starting point is 02:24:21 Barack Obama being president. And at at the same time he was a horrific rapist do you think that like a lot of his morality and this goes back to the sort of tide thing the slingshot effect that a lot of his sort of projected morality was to make up for the fact that he was drugging chicks and raping them so he was right america's dad right and he was also like the upstown upstanding citizen for the black community to get upset if comedians would swear yeah that whole thing with eddie murphy yeah i mean and not just him uh or not just uh eddie murphy but i believe the same with jave chappelle i think he had a problem with chris rock you know what he what he stood for as was like this really

Starting point is 02:25:02 conservative really friendly you know don't we don't talk about dicks and puss*es and all that stuff like he had a whole thing about like when he was really old yeah before he got caught it was a whole thing about well we talk about it but we don't hit it yeah we don't hit on it we we you know what i'm saying can every comedian do a cosby it's not even that impressive That's probably the only second time I've ever tried it It's pretty decent Thank you

Starting point is 02:25:29 It needs work let's be honest But the point being is that this guy was the most vocal You never heard other comedians You never heard George Wallace tell other comedians What they should do You never hear that from Paul Mooney maybe But you know what I'm saying? It's like you don't have that.

Starting point is 02:25:46 Well, I guess partly that may have been because Cosby became such a big institution. You know what I mean? It wasn't like I love both those guys, especially George Wallace, I think is absolutely hilarious. But he never got the level of mainstream success where what he says has some sort of cultural significance. It stays within the comedy world cosby got to the place of it's it's something else it's beyond it's beyond what 99.999 of comics or any public figure actually gets yeah he gets a place in you know the scheme of history so well yeah he was uh he was the best example of, like, the elevated person from this minority.

Starting point is 02:26:29 Like, the best example. Very well spoken. He got a doctorate. I think he got kind of a legit one or he got an honorary one. I'm pretty sure it was legit. The legit one was, like, from a paper that he had to write in graduate school or something like that. See if you,'s i think you got a legit one from new jersey he's dr william h cosby right that out to me yeah but i mean you

Starting point is 02:26:49 can get an honorary doctorate just for your humanitarian work or because people think you're slick well heathcliff hoxtable was a ob-gyn so there you go must have went to school there must have yeah um i think that you see you grab her by the puss* but you give her a drink first trump you see see now if you went to run for president they'd go back to that they take that out of context and go what the f*ck that cosby worshiping puss* grabbing you see but isn't it here it goes is this here he's sometimes referred to as dr cosby he has his doctorate in education from the university of massachusetts in Amherst. He earned the degree in the mid-1970s, a thesis entitled The Integration of Visual Media via Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids.

Starting point is 02:27:32 That's what I did my doctorate on. How weird. Okay. It's a teaching aid and vehicle to achieve increased learning. That's interesting. So that goes to your point. A was the public person really just defending the horrible actions of the private person, but also he clearly was trying to do good work.

Starting point is 02:27:51 Yeah, but here it says, but how he got his degree has been controversial ever since. According to Michael Eric Dyson, a sociology professor at Georgetown University and acclaimed author of his Bill Cosby Wright and numerous other books, Cosby dropped out of high school after he flunked his 10th grade three times. He enlisted in the Navy where he got his GED. Then he enrolled in Temple where he dropped out to pursue a show business career. His unfinished bachelor degree from Temple was eventually bestowed upon him because of his life experience. Cosby enrolled in a part-time doctoral student at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, which awarded him. See, so that's it so he dropped out of high school came back got his ged enrolled in temple dropped out of that and got a

Starting point is 02:28:30 doctorate for writing about a cartoon but even the bachelor's degree they're saying he got an unfinished bachelor's degree because of life experience so he didn't get that degree reality and he didn't get the wow that's wild so both of them so it's not entirely true i mean he did get a degree but obviously there's a there's an asterisk attached to that Yeah, but but separating it from that It's like that that thing that you're talking about is pretty powerful stuff that what you that he was doing this horrible sh*t So and yet and yet he enriched so many lives at the same time at that literally at the same time that he was doing this Horrible stuff to these women. He was

Starting point is 02:29:04 Bringing so much goodness to the country. That's deep. It's f*cking deep. And that's people. I think the sooner we recognize how flawed human beings are, the better we're going to be off. And I think also, and this is another thing that I've talked about on stage before, but it's a real issue. I don't think human beings are designed

Starting point is 02:29:29 to take in the data from media. I don't think we can truly distinguish the difference between false narratives and fiction. I mean, I know we can. You know, when you go to see a f*cking movie, you know it's a movie. You leave, well, that was a good movie, man. God damn, can't wait for Doctor Strange 2.

Starting point is 02:29:50 You know, we know it's a movie, but leave. Well, that was a good movie, man. God damn. Can't wait for Dr. Strange too. You know, we know it's a movie, but there's an impact that that data has on our mind that we have to, even though we have to separate it and move it around, that impact is there. We're designed to follow like the tribal leader, this old guy with scars who's f*cking survived battles and he has wisdom and he knows the poems and we sit around the fire and we follow him because of actual real Live accomplishments and real live things that we've seen him do is how he stays alive. This is I stay alive We're there's only 30 of us. Okay, we got f*cking bearskins on and we're living in a cave and we don't have much time We got to follow that guy He knows how to stay alive and we might not make it and this is a very real concern because we know tribes that are gone Right. So this is like how human beings develop for f*cking thousands of thousands of years, if you believe in evolution,

Starting point is 02:30:29 when we went from being a monkey to being a guy who's addicted to a cell phone. There's a lot of steps along the way. And in those steps, we developed a lot of these human reward systems, where you get used to and look forward to certain things because those things those rewards will keep you alive whether it's being attractive to females you will spread your dna that way you must be concerned about this whether it's uh overcoming the adversaries because if you don't they're going to kill you like you have to stay alive you gotta be fit you gotta be you have to figure out how to stay quiet when you're hunting

Starting point is 02:31:05 It's one of the reasons today why women enjoy gossip and men enjoy quiet and why the two are sometimes incompatible Like there's a design women are designed they were trying to keep the f*cking tribe together So they sit around washing clothes. Do you hear this dirty bitch f*cks everybody when we go to sleep? I that's that's where it came from and with the men they're out in these hunting parties like shut everybody shut the f*ck up Yeah, let's pay attention. We gotta be we gotta stay close here That's where it came from. And with the men, they're out in these hunting parties. I'm like, shut, everybody shut the f*ck up. Okay. Let's pay attention. We got to be, we got to stay close here. And this is the whole reason why there's a difference in the way these two behave.

Starting point is 02:31:30 And this has all been like well established by sociologists, by people who have studied human behavior. I think that where we're at now with movies and songs, you're getting this data in a way we don't know how to process. We obviously internally obviously internally you know we obviously can rationalize and go well I know that's just a song I know that's just a movie I know the Indiana Jones isn't a real guy and he wouldn't just survive every time the f*cking bowling ball-sized boulder comes his way he would he would get killed the nuke then he got in the fridge in part four he's the f*cking Ark of the Covenant how do

Starting point is 02:32:04 you survive the come on man there's a lot of sh*t going on and I could accept that the f*cking that's supposed to be apocalyptic all of it it's supposed to be close to size the darts look the other way you look the other way from the nuke that's all you need to do cancer he's got a f*cking cool hat but those those narratives and this this life version is all data that's entering to the human consciousness and the more we expose ourselves to it when kids are watching eight hours of f*cking television and people are like constantly engrossed in their phones and all this like two-dimensional data and video and all these different things on youtube the more that stuff gets into your mind into your

Starting point is 02:32:41 life the less you're experiencing the actual life it's almost like a preparation for us being a part of this hive mind like these are the steps you take when you create this sort of new type of being yeah i mean it's integrated you're talking about the matrix that we're slowly morphing into this thing and that's why you know people have to understand that what happens there isn't real yet so like you know sort of jumping all the way back to that Leslie Jones thing when people say mean things to you I'm sure if you would look at your Twitter right now. Somebody's probably saying something mean they will now Yeah, now they're gonna be really pissed. You're a bully you told me to do it. You see get on Joe Rogan You see you you've sick. I've sick them. Don't worry there. There's a lot of mine are yours, so they'll turn it on me

Starting point is 02:33:22 Don't worry. We're all fine But but point is that that those words it goes to that words are not action thing. So what? Someone said something mean to you. You got to get over it. So for example, part of my, this is going to sound sort of corny, but part of my success in the last year is directly related to you because my show was, for real, my show was taken off when I was on here last time.

Starting point is 02:33:44 And by you giving it a little bump here, and then you've been real good to me on social media, you've helped amplify what I do. And in the process of that, I now, all my social media, when I scroll, in a weird way, it's become sort of meaningless. It's become all noise. Because if 95% of it's good, which it usually is, well, then it's like, oh, there's another nice one. It's nice. And it is nice. You know, I's like, oh, there's another nice one. It's nice. And it is nice. You know, I'm not demeaning it. You mean people giving you compliments?

Starting point is 02:34:08 Yeah, just saying nice things or I like what you're doing or retweeting what I'm doing or whatever. That's all nice. And then the bad ones come in and then, you know, for whatever reason, I focus on the bad ones more. But then I just let it all becomes noise. And I'm just like, you know what? I just have to do what I do and then let the rest of it be.

Starting point is 02:34:23 You know what I mean? Well, you certainly probably at this point can't respond to everybody anymore. Oh, no, I can't even. No way. No, but that's what I do and then let the rest of it be. I, you know what I mean? You certainly probably at this point can't respond to everybody anymore. Oh no, I can't even, no, it's, but that's what I'm saying. It's not fun anymore.

Starting point is 02:34:30 Like part of the, the price to pay for a little success here is that the part that used to be fun when I would play around with people more on there and spend more time interacting. It's like, it's become such like a calvicate of craziness that I just don't have the time where I don't have the mental bandwidth more than anything else. I have a lot going on and it's like it's become such like a calvicate of craziness that i i just don't have the time where i don't have the mental bandwidth more than anything else i have a lot going on and it's like so that's been a little bit of a sacrifice along the way but yeah but that's just comes with the program yeah when especially when you're thinking about the numbers of people that you're reaching

Starting point is 02:34:58 nobody ever had to do that like imagine if johnny carson had a twitter account and he's trying to interact with all the fans or he got email, Carson at tonightshow.com. I did not know that. Just look at all this f*cking email. How am I going to respond to these people? If you don't, they get mad at you. There are mentions on this thing. But I think one good thing that's going on

Starting point is 02:35:13 is people don't expect you to do that when you reach a certain number of fans. I get way more messages from people that say, hey, I love the podcast or great job on the UFC or something like that, that those kinds of messages I get way more often than someone actually trying to get me to respond to things, you know, which I would like to do if I had, I had that kind of time, but no one has that kind of time. Right. That's what I'm saying. There's just a certain amount. And that goes to combining public person and private person. Like there's a certain amount

Starting point is 02:35:41 of bandwidth that your brain has that all of us have to do what whatever it is we do yeah i could we the two of us could sit here for 24 hours in a row and just respond to things and blah blah blah and it's like your brain also has to be able to breathe well your spirit has to be able to breathe you have to live life yeah and i think if you have anything to offer and this is one of the things that i'm finding it's kind of important to me and i've tried to i've tried to engineer this in my own life, in a way, is that I've got to have as much life experiences or more than I do work. Because, like, just working, like, if I just did podcasts every day, I would have things to say, because there's always something going on in the world, but I think I wouldn't be doing my own perspective

Starting point is 02:36:23 a service. I think to do my perspective a service, to be honest about it, I need to experience things. I need to live life. I need to travel to places. I need to do things that are difficult. I need to get involved in a lot of activities. I like to do different things because I think, first of all, because I enjoy them, first and foremost,

Starting point is 02:36:43 and I think embracing that I enjoy them benefits me in a great way too yeah because when I do things that I enjoy I get happy when I get happy I work better you know and I think if if I didn't do that and if I didn't like actively seek out it would just it's really easy for a lot of people a lot of people find this they get caught up in work so much that that's all they focus on yeah And then then I think it you stop being the person who got to that position in the first place The person who got to that position in the first place got there because people liked what you talked about what you thought about And the only way that even it gets more enhanced is by experiencing things yeah And by the way you don't have to go to

Starting point is 02:37:22 Across the world to do that even I was telling you before we started that. So I just, I bought a house where we're doing the home studio thing. My fans are funding it. It's like my dreams literally are becoming reality. It's as, you know, like it's as validating as anything that has happened in my entire life. Congratulations. Thanks.

Starting point is 02:37:36 It's like, it's beautiful. Yeah. It's, it's very cool. You deserve it too, man. It's awesome. Um, and yesterday I'm trying to hook up some speakers in the house and I have some old ass stereo that I've had forever

Starting point is 02:37:46 and I'm trying to hook this sh*t up and it was driving me crazy but I actually halfway through after like three hours of f*cking pulling things out of the wall

Starting point is 02:37:54 and you know the old wires the little metal ones that you gotta turn and jamming them into speakers and negative A I used to love those

Starting point is 02:38:01 you gotta twist that thing down the red thing and the black thing and I'm jamming I mean that's literally what I'm black thing and I'm jamming. I mean, that's literally what I'm doing yesterday. And I'm frustrated as f*ck. And then about halfway through, I was like, this is actually great.

Starting point is 02:38:16 My attention was so focused, turning those things, getting that thing in there, pulling one out. Wait a minute. I had to run across the other, make the speaker work. And this one, I have to run outside. And it's like, that was actually great. It was a moment completely where i set all my sh*t aside and i realized i was like wow for the last hour i was f*cking in this sh*tty ass yamaha stereo thing you know and and it was actually pretty great there's a zen in that right yeah

Starting point is 02:38:37 yeah there really is so you don't have to go across the world to do it just doing something that there was meaning in me doing it i didn't want to hire someone to do it you know like i want to figure this thing out and i did i think there's definitely something that but i went to the vatican this summer and i think it was more fun than you installing your stereo and i think i learned more about people and looking at you know saint peter's basilica than i ever would have done screwing together some f*cking wires and sticking them into some box that makes noise i bet i can beat you on that because many years ago, I believe around 97, I think it might have been the same trip that I ended up in Egypt. I went to Amsterdam.

Starting point is 02:39:12 I like basically shroomed for like eight days. Whoa. And then we wanted, so my buddy and I, we wanted to take shrooms. That made my feet numb. We wanted to take shrooms to Rome to trip at the Sistine Chapel. So listen to this. We get on the train. You know, it's like an overnight train.

Starting point is 02:39:28 I don't know, probably 12 hours to go from Amsterdam to Rome. We got boarded. The train got boarded by like, I don't know, like border police or something. Yeah, something. So we were like, what are we going to do? What do we do? So we ate the evidence. So we literally ate the shrooms on the train.

Starting point is 02:39:43 I don't remember. Like enough for one person each. Like not, not like a crazy amount, but we're on an overnight train in like one of those little couchettes where you're sleeping with two people above you. So we're both on the bottom in a tiny little room with, with four Italians tripping balls for hours and hours and hours.

Starting point is 02:39:58 We get to, we get to Rome and we went right to the Sistine Chapel, which you have to walk through like a lot of other chapels kind of to get to and you see but so I wasn't fully tripping but I had just enough just Enough in the Sistine Chapel beat that no you can't pretty good But you only think way you could go through four countries because I trip through The Netherlands I trip through Belgium Something in Italy there's something there's another one in there. What else would be in there? I don't know.

Starting point is 02:40:26 I mean, it all sounds... Florence? Did you go to Florence? I went to Florence, but that's in Italy. Yeah. You said something else in Italy? Is that what you just said? It was Belgium.

Starting point is 02:40:34 Netherlands is where I started. Or something other than Italy? Is that what you meant? I don't know what I said. I don't know what you said either. It was a good time. That's the point. Like, were you visualizing?

Starting point is 02:40:44 I had just, you know, when you have just enough of the visuals like just as like a little moving You know just a little something. I was stone-cold sober inside st. Peter's Basilica, and I freaked out I Was just thinking about the sheer effort involved in making something so insanely huge and how many hundreds of years it took to build it I we had a great guide. He was really smart he was a professor and He spoke fluent English and fluent Italian and he was a local professor who did this on the side and when someone was like really? Enthusiastic about the history of it. He like lit up like a Christmas tree So me and this guy had some awesome conversations and you know you he stuck with us for like hour like five or six hours

Starting point is 02:41:27 and then we went to dinner with him afterwards and You know he was just so he so loved the artwork and the culture and the history of it It was like it was so infectious when he was talking about it. Well, that's the thing you don't have to be religious per se I'm not a believer. I Right, I believe in things that i that can be proven if someone could prove something to me then then i would believe it if you told me that lebron james dunked from half court well i'd need to see video you know like i wouldn't just oh he did well hot damn you know so why wouldn't i apply that same logic to the biggest questions

Starting point is 02:41:57 of the universe but even not being a believer you can acknowledge that the work that these people had to do that maybe they felt some divine spirit. They felt something in themselves that I can't explain or whatever, that there's an incredible power to that. I mean, go to Jerusalem. You can look at the Western Wall is literally, you know, the holiest site in Judaism is adjacent with the Temple Mount. The Dome of the Rock is right on top of that,

Starting point is 02:42:20 the third holiest site in Islam. And if you walk five minutes the other way, the Church of the Holy Sepulchre where Jesus was crucified is right there i mean so whether you believe in this stuff or not it the fact the the facts on the ground exist and you have to acknowledge that some people find meaning and value in that and we could we could argue whether that would has been a destructive force throughout time or well i think in a lot of ways religion is like bill cosby it's both you know it's it's helped people and it's hurt a lot i mean religion has been responsible for some horrible atrocities and not just one religion like many many religions but like many many groups of power

Starting point is 02:42:58 many groups that have influence and great influence over people a lot of times they look out for themselves they protect themselves ruthlessly especially when they have massive amounts of power that doesn't make any sense in the world. Like when you look at any sort of a coup or any sort of a usurping of power, like it's someone who has massive amounts of power and someone else wants that massive amounts of power and they conquer them and take over them. And it's always like this spectacular chaotic event and that's what human beings sort of that's what they do you know they they establish positions

Starting point is 02:43:33 of power then they abuse them it's like and they're almost begging for some better smarter person to come along and take it from yeah i i think about that sometimes even when when i'd be like walking where i used to live in west hollywood it's like pretty, you know, it's next to Beverly Hills. It's a nice area. And that all these people are sort of walking, you know, there's nice shops there and everyone kind of looks good. So it's sort of what we said where they go to the gym, they tan, they get surgery. They're like, they're all working on themselves all day doing their own thing. And it's and you're right.

Starting point is 02:44:01 It's almost like they're just they're so blind to the fact that there is something else happening. There is a real power play happening in the world where there are forces that want to change things either for what may be better for you or worse for you or whatever. And most people just ignore it because it's a lot easier to get lost in Twitter or watch the Kardashians.

Starting point is 02:44:22 We're like the spoiled country club kids of the world. That's what we are. We're like the spoiled country club kids of the world. That's what we are. We're like the spoiled country club kids of the world that don't realize the consequences of flying drones into Yemen and bombing wedding parties. You know, there's like the consequence that's attached to those people. It would be so significant if it was happening on this patch of dirt. But since it's happening over there, we don't think of it as a big a deal. Could you imagine what would happen if someone from another country had flown a drone over the United States and accidentally bombed some sort of a wedding party in Phoenix?

Starting point is 02:44:51 Right. Could you f*cking imagine? Imagine if one rocket flew over Mexico's border to La Jolla, El Paso or La Jolla. We'd bomb Canada. I mean, you know what I mean? Like, think about that. Like, it's so crazy when you think, you know, we'd bomb Canada. I mean, you know what I mean? Like, think about that. Like, it's so crazy when you think, you know, and I get it. As I said before, I'm not against every state secret.

Starting point is 02:45:12 I understand that some sh*t has, there are rules that are beyond what the average person. But why are they? They're only that way because there's no transparency in these other countries too. Yeah. And once all these countries develop this new level of transparency where you can't hide sh*t you can't lie you're gonna do one of two things you're gonna say look i'm genghis khan i'm running this motherf*cker and you're gonna put in the whole thing i mean what putin is doing right now is old school dictator stuff kills his rivals publicly

Starting point is 02:45:39 he has sat has assassinated his right did you see the f*cking assassination attempt on him no you haven't seen that? I don't think so On Putin? Yeah dude How did I miss that? Someone made a suicide attack on his car But his driver was in the car

Starting point is 02:45:53 And not him This guy drove high speed Head on Right into Putin's car When was this? How the hell did I miss this? Two weeks ago No sh*t

Starting point is 02:46:01 Yeah two weeks ago Check this out It takes a lot out of you Watch this Watch this. Watch this car. See the guy in the middle? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:46:07 He's doing that so he could hit Putin's car. Bam. That's it. He knew where the car was, and he drove in the median and then turned towards Putin's car to try to kill him. Yeah. Wait, can you throw that up one more time real quick now that I can see it, now that I see the front part?

Starting point is 02:46:19 See, watch the median. Watch the middle strip. That guy is there planning this. Then he sees the car and turns right into him. Holy holy sh*t is right it killed uh the driver i think it killed both guys see if it killed both guys jeez but putin was not in that car but that's his um his favorite driver f*cking bananas yeah so i mean that's that's game of thrones but that's right that's to the point that this is modern game of Thrones. Happening, yeah. But all these other people, these are the people that are protected by the dark lords that run the kingdom.

Starting point is 02:46:51 And this is just the modern version of sh*t that's been going on since the beginning of time. So then that said, does that give you any empathy for what Clinton has to do to get there? Well, that's what I'm saying. Not necessarily empathy, but a vague understanding of how ignorant I am about how the world works. Yeah. And that's a,

Starting point is 02:47:10 it's a weird place to sit, I suppose. And you know, here's the defense of Clinton, the major Clinton, Bill, because, you know, not a defense of

Starting point is 02:47:18 whatever he may or may not have done physically to all those people that are accusing him of things, but about his, like, the speeches that he does and all the money that are accusing him of things, but about his like the speeches that he does and all the money that he's trying to acquire. People forget how ruthlessly prosecuted he was by Kenneth Starr while he was in office and how crazy that all that situation was.

Starting point is 02:47:37 Who was leading it? Newt Gingrich, who, as we said before, was having an affair off his wife that was dying. Yeah. And then there was that other guy, the strategist, who's the Republican strategist that was involved. Was it Ken Melman? No, that was a George W. Bush guy. Rove? No.

Starting point is 02:47:51 Yeah, Karl Rove. Yeah. Karl Rove was a part of it too, right? Wasn't he? Was he involved? Was he part of the Clinton thing? Maybe he's not. Maybe.

Starting point is 02:47:56 Maybe I'm confusing, because Karl Rove is definitely a part of the Jeff Gannon story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what that could have possibly been like for them, but I know that when Bill Clinton got out of office, apparently he was deeply in debt because of his legal fees. And the whole thing was just like off the chart. That was one of the things that Hillary talked about. Like she had said that when they left, when he left the office, they were dead broke. Well, he obviously found ways to capitalize on it and did it. But could you imagine being a guy who's a former president and is how old was he at the time?

Starting point is 02:48:27 Like maybe in his late 50s? Yeah, probably. And f*cking not just dead broke, but beaten down by public scandal. And you're in debt to the tune of who knows how many dollars. And you've lost all your money to legal cases because you're fighting off impeachment by all these crazy people that want to prosecute you for doing sh*t that pretty much every president has done since the beginning of time. Whipped his dick out and people just start sucking it because they're the f*cking king. Because it's crazy to be in that position in the first place. And who cares?

Starting point is 02:48:56 Well, people do care because he lied. If you rape people or whatever, then that's one thing. But I'm just talking about just the general, if the president's having affairs, who gives a f*ck? Is the country working? Is it this thing basically not going towards the iceberg? Then okay. But here's where it's curious. He didn't get prosecuted because he lied,

Starting point is 02:49:13 because obviously Obama now, we now found out that he lied about the emails from the WikiLeaks. He lied to the American people. It is a small lie. It is a white lie, I guess you could say, because nobody, you know, I mean, it might not be the worst lie. Well, Obama's wasn't under oath. Clinton's was. lie. It is a white lie, I guess you could say, because nobody, you know, I mean,

Starting point is 02:49:25 it might not be the worst lie. Well, Obama's wasn't under oath. Clinton's was. Exactly. That was going to get to. Yeah. But the difference being that he didn't raise his hand

Starting point is 02:49:33 and put his hand on the Bible and say, do you solemnly swear to tell the truth? Like, why, you have to, you have to,

Starting point is 02:49:41 I have to know you're really honest, like now. Like, this is the time where you can't lie anymore so we have this crazy rule that if you do lie during that time it's so different than when you

Starting point is 02:49:53 lie about what FBI administrator Comey or whatever the f*ck his title is, Comey says about what you did versus what you think you did or whether it's who knows what other things whether it's how many f*cking cell phones she had or Benghazi or whatever. By the way, you have your team destroy all your old devices with hammers and hats after, right?

Starting point is 02:50:14 We actually did take some old hard drives out to the gun range. Yeah? Yeah. And I put some 300 Win Mag rounds into them. That'll show them who's boss. We did it because we were going to get rid of them anyway. They were old bullsh*t. I said, it'd be fun to take these to the range.

Starting point is 02:50:30 Just blow them apart. Nice. So we took them out there, and I was sighting in my rifle. Yeah. Boom. You should see what it does to one. I'd like to try that. You would like to try that?

Starting point is 02:50:39 Yeah. I would do that with you sometime. All right. Let's do that. I'll shoot some computers. Yeah, some old laptops. You know what I did today? I got off the Apple tit. I got, let's do that. I'll shoot some computers. Yeah, some old laptops. You know what I did today? I got off the Apple tit.

Starting point is 02:50:47 I got my Apple laptop here, but I bought a Windows laptop just to see what's going on. They still make those? Yes, they do. They make a Lenovo ThinkPad. That's what I got. I always liked ThinkPads. I had one a long time ago, and I was like, let's see what the newest ThinkPads look like. Because they still have that little red thing?

Starting point is 02:51:02 Yeah, the little nipple that you play with. That thing, the nipple? It's still there? I like that thing. They still go with the nipple? Yes, they have the nipple still. Yeah. Really?

Starting point is 02:51:07 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got a P50, Lenovo ThinkPad P50. So anyway, I get this ThinkPad, and it has Windows 7. Well, the newest Windows is Windows 10. So I try upgrading to Windows 10. Oh, geez. Three and a half hours later, after two f*cking live chats with people, they can't figure out how to get it to work.

Starting point is 02:51:26 Two different people I'm talking to with, you know, tech support, they can't figure out how to get it to work. It's still got Windows 7 on it. I spent three and a half hours this morning. Not as therapeutic as my little Yamaha session. It was fascinating. I didn't lose my temper. I treated it. I have a laptop.

Starting point is 02:51:41 This one's getting kind of, it's got a lot of space taken up by p*rn and stupid sh*t and f*cking pool videos and a bunch of dumb stuff on my phone. From my phone, rather. And I was saying, well, I should probably get a new laptop. Why don't I see what Windows 10 is like? So I figure if you buy a new laptop, well, for sure it's going to have Windows 10 on it. No, it had f*cking Windows 7.

Starting point is 02:52:03 Windows 7. Where's 8 and 9? I didn't know that they did anything after 95 i thought it was windows 95 and then that was it well i heard windows 10 is good i've heard it reviewed by uh tech people so i'm hoping to see what the fuss is all about but i've been i at least i think it might be like like going going to a really sh*tty job for a while and then coming back to your regular job and going, God, this is so much better. Isn't it funny how sometimes, for as connected as you may be, sometimes some technology just kind of gets past you and then you realize you just missed something. So for the last five years, I've been using Firefox, the browser. Firefox, you're on Chrome,

Starting point is 02:52:45 I guess. Right. So I'm using Firefox. Nothing would work like things like videos would freeze. Audio would freeze. I couldn't open three windows at once, you know, like a whole bunch of sh*t. And then my, uh, my director Amira saw me clicking Firefox and she was, you know, she's 23 or 24 and she was laughing hysterically. Like you f*cking idiot. What are you doing? Why are you doing that? And then she said, you got to get on Chrome. And I was laughing hysterically like you f*cking idiot. What are you doing? Why are you doing that? And then she said you got to get on Chrome. Yeah, and I was like no that can't be any different than Firefox I thought everybody was on Firefox like for as much as I'm in this thing This was I don't know I got on Firefox and I just was there Chrome is the sh*t

Starting point is 02:53:17 So now I'm on Chrome and guess what you press play. You know what happens sh*t plays sh*t plays Yeah well I'm a big believer in the Google and one of the things that I've been thinking about is getting off the apple tit and Using an Android phone and a windows laptop, so I'm gonna try that over the next few months. This is the beginning of the end I don't think so. I want to I don't think being frustrated be such a bad thing I mean, I think at the very least I call people good, dude I don't think I could send you a text anymore. Something's going on. You send me pictures. I can't find them. That's a great way to get

Starting point is 02:53:47 off the grid. Sorry. I heard when people send you pictures on those Google phones, like they go into a folder. Yeah. Like if someone sends you a picture and it's attached to your text message, the picture like automatically goes into a folder and may not even exist on the text stream. Like I don't get it. I don't know if that's the case or not. I don't even live like this. I'm going to find out. I'm going to I'm gonna find out I'm gonna find I want to see what's going on I'm gonna try that they have a Google has a new phone called the Google Google pixel heard about it And it's very highly received by tech dorks the people that really know what the f*ck they're talking about unlike me And they they really like the camera

Starting point is 02:54:20 They really like the speed the the pure Google experience because nobody f*cks with it come straight from them They don't have a third-party software built into it So I'm gonna see let's see what's going on because I think you just stay on the Apple tit all the time Yeah, like when people send me a text message is all green. I get a little envy Yeah, like this person's out there just rebelling they're out there Be wild and sending text messages this morning when I message when I was dealing with the Yamaha Mmm, show you I'm not making this sh*t up. See I'm just a real big fan of Google in general Wild and sending text messages this morning when I message when I was dealing with the Yamaha Show you I'm not making this sh*t up see I'm just a real big fan of Google in general Oh, yeah, took a picture of a wire and came back green. I thought what's this guy know that I don't know

Starting point is 02:54:54 This guy's got green yeah, he knows he knows things or he doesn't or he's poor poor guy Yeah, he's actually unemployed. It was very sad. It could be that he's just a crazy person He doesn't trust Apple But there is something f*cking weird about those blue things. And then if someone's got another kind of phone, then it's green. It's like, oh, they're an outsider. Yeah. It's green.

Starting point is 02:55:14 They don't even send you a blue one. Why do you have different f*cking colors for different people that have different phones? I don't like where that's going. I don't like that feel. It's that 1984 commercial that Apple did in 1984 where they were fighting Windows at the time. They were fighting Microsoft.

Starting point is 02:55:28 But the idea that the bigger Apple gets and the more we just instinctively go to it, and by the way, I say this with all due irony because I got the iPhone 7 the day it came out.

Starting point is 02:55:37 Yeah, I got one right here, dude. It's awesome. I'm a fan. But, you know, the more that we all do that, you actually incentivize them to not innovate. Yeah. Because they know that if, because this phone really, the reality is this phone that we all do that, you actually incentivize them to not innovate. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:55:45 Because they know that if, because this phone really, the reality is this phone that we're both have right now, it barely is different than the, than the six, right? How dare you? Who are you? Yeah. I'm getting edgy now. We've been talking for a while. It's a little better.

Starting point is 02:55:57 A little better, but a little better. And maybe a little worse. I like the physical button. Yeah, though there's some annoying sh*t. And I do miss the phone, the headphone jack. Yeah. Guess what? Sometimes I want to have a headphone plugged in where I'm in my car so I can talk to someone little worse i like the physical button and i do miss the phone headphone jack yeah guess what sometimes i want to have a headphone plugged in where i'm in my car so i can talk to someone with a thing dangling from my ear because it's way easier to hear them than it is through speaker

Starting point is 02:56:14 phone or what if you want to charge your phone and use headphones at the same time yeah i don't agree with what they're doing and i don't agree with what they're doing with laptops either where they're getting rid of usb and they have now they have a new type Of USB like come on man This isn't any better But the thing is that goes to my point if they know that you're gonna buy this sh*t no matter what and they know us They knew the day they put this out. They're gonna make X amount of hundreds of millions of dollars if not more right So the more that we are instinctively just go to them the actual less they have There's less incentive for them to give us good innovative sh*t

Starting point is 02:56:45 Because why keep changing it if you just tweak a couple things and they don't put that much into it and we all do it Anyway, I also think that it's probably important to support Competition yeah and to in you know I what I think once they reach a point where the tech people are saying this is the best phone like a lot of the Google The people that have reviewed the Google pixel. They're saying I have ditched my iPhone for this is the best phone. Like a lot of the Google, the people that have reviewed the Google Pixel, they're saying I have ditched my iPhone for this. This is the best phone in the market. Finally, for the first time, an Android phone. I don't know if they're rooting for Android.

Starting point is 02:57:14 And so they may have a biased opinion. I might try it. I'm like, these guys are out of their f*cking mind. But we're going to find out. I'm going to find out about Windows 10. And I'm going to find out about Android. I'm going to give them both a shot. I've decided that recently. I was like, this is just Windows 10, and I'm going to find out about Android. I'm going to give them both a shot. I've decided that recently.

Starting point is 02:57:26 I was like, this is just too instinctive a move for me to just go to Apple. I remember when I was on news radio. It's when Apple wasn't really even that good. It was before OS X, which was the big operating system change where it went to a Unix-based system opposed to the way it was before. It would freeze up before. It had no memory protection. You couldn't really multitask correctly. It didn't have what they call preemptive multitasking.

Starting point is 02:57:51 So like the tech people didn't appreciate the Mac platform until OSX. And then OSX had this really like responsive user interface. It was very cool. Little animation things would happen when you click on things. And I saw that and went, whoa. Okay, I'm going to try it. I'm going to try it. So that's when I jumped back over from Windows to Mac again.

Starting point is 02:58:11 And there's so many people that get in these clans. It's like we were talking about with Republicans versus Democrats. There's a lot of clans. Like when I was on the set of news radio, one of the guys, this is back when Mac sucked, one of the guys was like, you know, do you hear our sales sales are up our sales are up, but he's talking about like max I go our sales He's like sales of Matt cuz you know he knew he was a man. He'd have wear Apple t-shirts Yeah, he was such a I didn't know Bill Gates was there Steve Jobs is the key grip on these radio

Starting point is 02:58:39 He was you know he's a creative guy behind the scenes guy But he was like so excited about Apple sales being up. And I'm like, dude, this is weird. You're getting weird with me. Yeah. You know, we've got new MacBooks are coming out. Okay. Don't you have a computer?

Starting point is 02:58:53 Like, what the f*ck are we doing, man? What are we doing? We become slaves to these machines. Slaves. But then it was like Apple was the underdog. Yeah. It's a different experience. Well, that's what I mean.

Starting point is 02:59:02 That 1984 commercial, their whole point was you all bow down to microsoft and we are the upstarts we're the people that are going to break the system break the matrix think different think different and now it's like think the same and not only is it think the same and if you don't think the same there's something wrong with you you got a green text what the hell's wrong with you yeah but you know apple for all the the cries of everybody with trump and the taxes because everything these days is somehow linked back together you know apple pays virtually no corporate taxes. Exactly. And what's his name? The head guy now? Tim Cook.

Starting point is 02:59:30 Basically was like, yeah, when they rewrite fairer tax laws, we'll bring our money back here. Now, for some reason, nobody's upset by that. We don't see people throwing iPhones out the window. Well, the problem is they have a responsibility as a gigantic corporation to the people that hold their stock. Sure. Like there's a weird thing that happens with corporations.

Starting point is 02:59:47 They're public and people own stock in it. Like you have a direct obligation, your stockholders to make a profit. So doesn't that prove Trump's point though? So it proves his point because it's like, all right, I'm doing what's legal, right? Like at the end of the year, when you go to pay your taxes, I'm pretty sure you tell your accountant the same thing that every sensible person does, which is do whatever is legal and i want to pay the least amount of taxes i don't i don't everybody does yeah you know that's why tax shelters exist yeah so i don't so again he hasn't released his taxes so that's sh*tty and he lied and by the way he's

Starting point is 03:00:16 lying when he says the thing about auditing you know his whole thing is well i'm under audit so i'm not going to do it but then then the next sentence at the last debate he was like you know what i'm under audit but i won't do it but if then in the next sentence at the last debate, he was like, you know what? I'm under audit, but I won't do it. But if Hillary releases her emails, I'll release my taxes. And it's like, oh, well, which is it? I think it was the Goldman Sachs speeches, wasn't it? No, he said emails. Emails?

Starting point is 03:00:34 He said emails. So he's lying. It's just a way of lying. I'm under audit, which there's no technical reason that you couldn't. But then he says, but if she does hers, you know, that thing, I'll do it. Well, there's no technical reason, but that's his argument. Like, while they're auditing him, he's not going to do it because he doesn't have to. Right.

Starting point is 03:00:50 You know, which does make sense. Like, if they are auditing him, like, why he wouldn't want to, like, open it up to public discourse. Right. So that in itself may be legit. But the idea that, but if she releases her emails, I'll forget that whole thing with the audit and I'll go ahead and do it. Don't you think, though, that that would, if he did release his taxes while they were auditing him it could possibly affect for sure because it would affect public opinion right we know for a fact that public opinion has had a big impact on things that may you know if people didn't

Starting point is 03:01:19 they didn't get outraged about it maybe the president or whoever's in charge wouldn't move in a certain direction right right well that's but that's the point is that if you want this, if you feel that this stuff is broken, that the tax system is broken and all these guys that can hide money in, uh, you know, offshore accounts, if you think all that's broken, don't be upset at the businessman who used it. Now that doesn't mean what he was doing was ethical or whatever. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. That's, different conversation. But you have to be upset at the people who put the laws in place that allow this to happen. Any businessman just uses the system as it exists.

Starting point is 03:01:52 So when all these people are like, well, Trump makes his ties in Mexico. Yeah, he's a smart businessman in that regard. He uses cheap Mexican labor. If you're upset that that is the reality, then be upset at the people who set up those trade deals. But isn't the issue really not that he does his stuff in Mexico? The issue is that he does it in Mexico, but he only pays people a tiny amount of money. So if somebody opened up a plant in Mexico and paid people American wages, there would be no incentive whatsoever to go to Mexico.

Starting point is 03:02:19 We should have laws as human beings and what we allow and not just in america you can't just say you go past this line there's a rock over there once you pass that rock you can pay him seven cents an hour but over here we got 11 bucks you f*ck right all right you're on team america world police yeah so i'm not defending the the ethics of his business practices i'm just saying all a bit as you said they're they're beholden to their stock shares and their holders and all that stuff so i'm just saying if he didn't do anything illegal then he just did he just played the system so you should be angry at the system and you can say he's immoral or took advantage in a way that a more less unscrupulous business person may not have and maybe that's the type of person you would want to work with and not a donald trump right but

Starting point is 03:03:02 that's why this is really complex and we instead people instead, people look at the ties in Mexico and they go, see, he's a hypocrite. And it's like, well, that's not quite the truth. Well, he is a hypocrite. No, no, he's a hypocrite for many other reasons. But for that, he's a hypocrite. I mean, he's talking about if corporations go over to Mexico, we'll find them to the tune of 35%. Yeah.

Starting point is 03:03:20 Okay. But you're already there. No, but- If you're running for president and you're making your ties over there You should stop because you're saying there's something wrong with the company taking their stuff and moving over there and Profiting from it and taking jobs out of America you do it. I've already done it right now So that you do it. I'm gonna find you so that's a at least so you're making a distinction there that in the course of this He could have said I'm not gonna do it anymore to show you

Starting point is 03:03:44 That I'm going to be moral or'm not going to do it anymore to show you that i'm going to be moral or whatever you want to call it ethical or whatever i will stop but isn't the ethical moral way to do it to just pay them more yeah of course but that's unfortunately we we live in a reality that you know that's what a law someone should pass that as human beings that live in the united states in the world the united states of america one of the most fortunate countries if not the most fortunate in the world we will respect our american privilege and you know not be willing to subjugate people that live in impoverished countries to like taking advantage and don't don't take advantage of their unfortunate circ*mstances like if you're living in a very

Starting point is 03:04:21 poor third world country and a nike factory opens up or whatever, you can't, as a person who is aware that they have the best like location roll the dice that's available today. You're living in America. You're born here. Like the fact that you're going to like make someone in some other country work for essentially with slave labor. country work for essentially with slave labor like the phone you buy this f*cking iphone i have in my hand is made in a factory where they have nets around the factory because so many people have tried to kill themselves that they made it where they catch you in a f*cking net when you jump off the roof because they were cleaning up bodies off the ground and when people defend it they defend it in the most bizarre way the defense is yeah but the percentage of people

Starting point is 03:05:05 that commit suicide at those factories is very similar to the percentage of people that commit suicide in the culture but they live at the factory they live at the factory they're making no f*cking money and they live at the factory and they're jumping off the roof that's you can't defend that no so then what do you make of our sort of fake moralizing with this where you you are fully acknowledging we both have this thing we both paid a lot of money for it we acknowledge we have the intellectual knowledge of what you just said that they do some shady things and yet at the same time all these people that are doing the exact same thing with us that have this phone will go berserk over the ties so we we pick yeah we and

Starting point is 03:05:40 that goes to the sides everyone's picking a side Well, they're just going after this guy. They're going after this guy. And there's validity to what they're saying, even though they have a phone that was built by slaves. There's still validity in what they're saying. And not only that. I mean, I had Shane Smith from Vison one day, and we were talking about the coltan. Coltran? Coltan that they had to take out of the ground in the Congo.

Starting point is 03:06:01 And how, you know, like the way they were getting a lot of the elements that they use in cell phones it's f*cking complete slave labor and child labor yeah i mean it's scary scary stuff when you get down to the the nitty-gritty of how things are manufactured and constructed in order for us to get them at a reasonable price and it's just it's just really spooky that we're willing to do that it's no yeah it's it's just uh we just synced up there that was wild uh it's partly it's just the unintended consequences of wanting things you know it's also the unintended consequences of having this business model of unlimited growth yeah you know and that what we're talking about about trump having a sort of responsibility to his

Starting point is 03:06:41 shareholders just like apple having a responsibility to their shareholders. Like this thing of unlimited growth places morality at the end of the list of motivations for what you're doing. And there's a thing called diffusion of responsibility that takes place when you have a gigantic group of people. They call themselves a corporation. You're just a little piece of that corporation. It's not like Dave Rubin's out there making people work for 13 cents an hour.

Starting point is 03:07:05 No, it's Microsoft or it's Hitachi or fill in the blank. I don't know if those companies do bad things, but whatever company it is, Apple. It's paying people ridiculously low wages. That is what it is. The corporation becomes this entity that needs zeros and ones

Starting point is 03:07:24 and you have to figure out a way to get them. Can you get them by taking these people that have worked for us for 20 years The corporation becomes this entity that needs zeros and ones. And you have to figure out a way to get them. And can you get them by taking these people that have worked for us for 20 years and just f*cking casting them out? Can you do that? Yeah. But they're good. They do a good job. f*ck them. How about you cut them off and you make asshole face to the right, work four extra hours a day.

Starting point is 03:07:39 Right. So then you take instead, think of all the executives and all the mid-level people that they've got up in Cupertino making absurd amount of money I'm not just talking about the shareholders who cashed in I'm talking about all those Silicon Valley guys making absurd amount of money I don't begrudge any of them any of that money but imagine if all of them who could live incredibly well on 10% of what they have and funneled some of that money to the same people making their sh*t I'm not a socialist so I'm not even saying this would be the right thing to do in any way But like they those people all walk around with a pretty clean conscience Yeah, you know while they have you know the fancy, you know

Starting point is 03:08:11 They probably all have Tesla's and all that sh*t and the people that are literally making the sh*t Not just the ones coming up with the the ideas in Cupertino because they always say when you know thought of in Cupertino I mean while they made in China with the net. It is interesting how we really distinguish very clearly the difference between the person who has the idea and the person who puts the idea together with their fingers. Yeah. Like, that's not nearly as valuable. But without that person putting it together, it never gets done. Like, the manufacturing process does not just include the people that buy the machines.

Starting point is 03:08:44 It includes the people that work for the people that buy the machines. But the people that buy the machines get so much more money than the people that work for them. And then the people that design the plans and give them to the people that buy the machines, they get even more money. They get the most money. The people who design the idea is most important. And I don't know if that's because of the nature of of the thing that like that it's it's set up that way because that's those are the people the people at the very top are the ones that are going to expand this weird thing that we're doing expand this technological sort of progression that is this

Starting point is 03:09:15 ongoing wave of improvement and innovation that we demand we demand new better versions we're not an iphone 7's a piece of sh*t when's the 8 come out dude the 8's gonna have hd reality built in yeah you know any of us are the question really at the end of the day is are any of us happier are any of us more functional are any of us more exactly yeah like are what have we done here what have we done is any if they were to gauge happiness of the average person who had the exact same physical attributes as you that grew up in the same town you grew up in in 1950 versus right now, is there any quantifiable difference? And I would, I would guess that basically it's no, that doesn't mean

Starting point is 03:09:57 this thing has done incredible things because to rear square all the revolutions that haven't really worked out the way it was supposed to, but it connected people all over the world. Yeah. And that's pretty awesome. So it does of course it does great stuff But like in terms of what are we actually chasing constantly as you said, there's no end because once it's always profit Well, we got no no no no no no. You're not chasing happiness. You're not chasing fulfillment You're not chasing, you know, whatever the the endgame of the human experience is I just changed think something I don't think it's for humans I think it's for humans. I think it's for the next thing.

Starting point is 03:10:28 I think we're setting it up for the next thing. We're the little workers that are building the shop for the machine overlords. Oh man, we're the guys with the nets. Yeah, we're the guys with the nets. We just don't think we are. Our thirst for technology is probably connected in some way to this thing wanting to emerge. And that as we become more and more materialistic and interested in the latest and greatest, we fuel this innovation. And we're a part of it,

Starting point is 03:10:51 whether we like it or know it or not. That's why as a human being, it's very frustrating and confusing when you're addicted to technology, when you're caught up in it and locked away in it. And for me, I find that the only way I stay happy is by being involved in very physical things. And I think that's one of the reasons why record numbers of people are depressed today.

Starting point is 03:11:10 I think they're not fulfilling their human requirements, their biological human requirements. For me, exercise is gigantic. Meditation is also gigantic, which I also consider a very physical thing because it's a focused concentration internally versus on whatever bullsh*t is on my f*cking Twitter feed or whatever Facebook feed or dealing with some nonsense about a job you don't really give a f*ck about. Instead of that, I'm focusing on things that are important to me, like the management of the actual mind itself. I think putting yourself in competition scenarios, putting in things where you have to perform under pressure. That's one of the reasons why people get so addicted to jujitsu

Starting point is 03:11:47 because then it's like this high-level problem-solving thing that you're doing all the time, and it makes regular life seem so much more easy to manage. And regular dilemmas are nothing compared to a f*cking 190-pound man who's built like a gorilla on your back trying to choke you to sleep. That reminds me of the gym in West Hollywood, actually. Wow! You see what I did there?

Starting point is 03:12:07 Dave Rubin, ladies and gentlemen. But I think, regardless, it's happening. It's happening to us regardless. My nonsense in talking to you about switching to Windows 10 and a f*cking Google phone, this is bullsh*t, stupid. It's not going to fix anything. And I'm not trying to. I'm not claiming to. I'm not claiming that I ever possibly could or have the influence.

Starting point is 03:12:23 But what I'm saying is you as a human being have an obligation to yourself to extract that happy juice out of your body in a positive way and I don't think we're designed to sit at desks I don't think we're designed for fluorescent lights I don't think we're designed for movies and all those things are great all those things are great But you got to manage the amount of exposure you have to that sh*t you have to manage the amount of exposure you have to fictitional narratives you have to merit you have to manage the kind of exposure you have to electronic influence you have to manage the just like you have to manage the type of people that

Starting point is 03:12:58 are in your life you're around people that are complaining all the time if you're just around people that are just whining like oh my god another day you know i'm sure you didn't see the movie but uh there's uh this kid's movie about um inside out and it's about like uh this girl's brain it's a little kid's movie it's all of my daughters but it's a little kid's movie about like this girl has like these characters in her brain one of them's anger and lew Black plays anger, which is f*cking awesome. And another one is sadness and sadness is like, wow, everything's so sad. And everything sadness touches becomes sadness.

Starting point is 03:13:35 Like everything turns blue. It's kind of an interesting movie because it's funny. It's entertaining. But it's also it's kind of there's a lesson to be learned for children that like you can you can marinate in those f*cking thoughts you can allow those thoughts to influence and touch all these different aspects of your life or you can figure out how to stop them like understand what they are these are these are these thoughts or it's almost like a living thing like a life force and that living thing can grow if you feed it but if you don't feed it you push this side and you feed the positive thing you can manage that little f*cker.

Starting point is 03:14:05 Might not ever go away because you're not living in a movie. But you could definitely manage it way better than you're doing if you don't take conscious decisions of what kind of energy you let into your life. Yeah. Well, we all know people that are addicted to their own pain or their own trauma or their own story. And no matter what you do, you know, you can't. And they love it. They love it. We all have relatives like this or friends. And it's like, you got, you can't. They love it. And they love it. They love it. We all have relatives like this or friends.

Starting point is 03:14:26 And it's like, you got to do the work. It is work. Life is work. It is endless. It's endless till it's over. And then you may regret not doing some of the work. It's also, it's your, it's not, there's no, it's not like there's no options. There are options to thought patterns.

Starting point is 03:14:44 There's no it's not like there's no options. There are options to fit thought patterns Mm-hmm, and if you just allow these like deeply ingrained paths to exist in your mind Will you immediately fall into complaining and the woe is me it never works out for me, you know Someone sent me a text the other day comparing two people It was to the same thing happened two people are at the same event and one person had this horrific Like like oh my god, this is terrible. This is the worst. This is such a waste of my time. And the other person was, well, it hasn't been good yet.

Starting point is 03:15:14 But, hey, there's still time! Exclamation point, smiley face. I'm like, this is a perfect example of the difference between two different people in the exact same experience having two different patterns that they allow their brain to go down. Now, what if you find out that guy's on Zoloft? That's an issue, right? And that's what a lot of people do instead of one. And again, this is not to disparage people who have legitimate mental imbalances where they need medication. I have a bunch of friends that have had that. But the question with that is like, is that nature or nurture? Like what, what has become, what was causing these negative thoughts in your mind is it a biological issue that you have because part of you is not working correctly which is entirely possible or is it you've embraced these negative thoughts in this

Starting point is 03:15:54 negative program by your family or by people that you hang around with or bad influences and you've embraced it to the point where you're unable to take these positive thought patterns you know you almost like have to go to a retreat you almost have to like kidnap you and put you on some island somewhere where somebody talks to you and goes hey man this is this is life right now it's life you don't have to get back to that email you think i know you think you do you know you don't have to get back to those people that are negative that are in your life you don't have to like this is life yeah this right here breathe in breathe out you're alive you're also alive in maybe the greatest f*cking time the world has ever known right i mean come on man there's never been it's never

Starting point is 03:16:29 been easier to get food it's never been safer to walk the streets there's never been more cool people to communicate with this is the best f*cking time ever like don't go woe is me because some girl doesn't want to suck your dick anymore just do you can you just f*cking stop and relax for a moment if you were a 90-year-old man living in Ecuador, that his whole life he'd been forced to be a farmer, working for pennies and eating f*cking raw potatoes and sh*t, and someone gave you the opportunity to come here and be you now, how goddamn happy would you be?

Starting point is 03:16:56 You'd be so happy. Well, that is you. That's you right now. You won the lottery, bitch. Yeah, get to it. You're still complaining. And 99.9% of the people listening have won the lottery yeah in comparison to all the other people that they're going to come in contact with

Starting point is 03:17:11 so in a lot of the other people in an interesting way you're almost making a case though for people to that the key to happiness in the midst of this technological monstrosity that we're part of that the key really is to disconnect yourself from it and there that comes with certain costs too i don't think to disconnect i think to have discipline i think just really for me yeah at least my best happiness comes from when i have discipline in avoiding the technology or or limiting my access to technology and consciously choosing to do other things. Mm-hmm. You know?

Starting point is 03:17:47 Yeah. Get involved in other hobbies. Get involved in, you know, like whether it's yoga or archery or, you know, go run marathons or go, you know, get involved in, you know, go enter a jujitsu tournament. Go climb a mountain. There's things that people do that are hard to do. And you don't just do it to get to the top of the mountain I think or to you know finish that cross that line that you decided you're gonna run to You do it because you your your body requires it your brain may require it like you as a being as an entity

Starting point is 03:18:20 Problem solving and puzzle solving is a part of who you are Overcoming adversity is a muscle That's got to be exercised because if it's not then once the sh*t hits the fan you f*cking fall apart And we all know people like that that just when one bad thing goes on in their life. They become blabbering f*cking idiots Yeah, yeah, that's I mean, that's why you got to just push. You like, you have no choice in a way. I guess once you see that, which seems fairly obvious to someone, if you're awake enough, once you see it, you got to just push and push and push and you, you will fail. As I've said several times, like you're going to fail at it. And I fail at it all the time where suddenly three hours went by and I go, sh*t, I just

Starting point is 03:19:00 stared at Twitter for three hours. You definitely could do that. Literally just taking my dog for a walk. Yeah. Sometimes would just reset it and then i feel better after that you know and if you don't do that it's taking that step get yourself to take that step and just once you're doing something it's usually pretty easy to do it like once you're working out it's pretty easy to be there once you start like oh this is what i'm doing now and i actually start enjoying it it's making yourself take that step yeah you like, there's a lot of times before yoga class where I'm like, I could just stay here and watch TV and f*cking put my feet up and do nothing. Man, I'm feeling kind of sore.

Starting point is 03:19:32 Maybe I should relax. Like, your brain starts playing all these f*cking mind games with you. But when you do go to yoga class and you take that class and 90 minutes later you've lost f*cking eight pounds of sweat and you've been freaking out and almost blacking out. When you get out of there, you feel better. better you feel way better and it gives you also I think momentum and motivation to continue with the rest of your life to keep pushing forward what do you think about the fact that you are your own boss also because you pretty much I you know I know you have outside gigs too but the most part, probably 90% of what you do, I would guess, is you are in charge of the ultimate decisions, if not 100%, maybe. Well, not the UFC. The UFC is my one job that I have. Right.

Starting point is 03:20:15 And it's a job, but it's the greatest job I've ever had. Right, it's what you want to do. It's a super pleasure. Yeah. And it's also, it's an honor, and it's also there's a massive obligation to respect and represent the people that are competing in what I think is one of the most difficult physical endeavors in all of sports, if not the most. I think it's incredibly difficult to do, and I feel like I'm in a very privileged position to represent those people. But yeah, I like it that I don't need it.

Starting point is 03:20:42 Yeah, I love that. I love that. I like not having a boss man even though my boss is amazing yeah you know my that job is the greatest job of all time i like doing things when i want to do them too and i but but it's not like i'm lazy so i push myself to do a lot of sh*t and i you know i have goals and i accomplish them or attempt to and i have you know commitments as far as like writing and performing and producing things but um yeah being your own boss man if you could pull it off is like the greatest thing ever yeah because it's not work anymore it's like you're working for yourself but

Starting point is 03:21:15 you're you're doing things instead of working like you're not punching in I mean I went independent in June so it's only I'm not even six months out of that. And not only was it the smartest business decision I ever made, which partly was because I saw guys like you and Corolla and a couple other guys that were, I was like, wait a minute, they built great brands. They have their fans and they're doing it. Like I, it was like, I was like, oh, there's actual template for this. If I, if I built my audience correctly and I just took the risk and said, you know, let's, let's see what happens. And, you know, we launched this Patreon campaign,

Starting point is 03:21:47 which is where fans can donate per month whatever they want. So, you know, you do like two bucks, you get a newsletter. We have people that donate 250 and I Skype with them every month and like a whole bunch of different things. I didn't know when I woke up the next morning

Starting point is 03:21:59 after we launched it, it might've been over. My career literally might've been over, like just like that. Cause I quit my job. I had no, I had no job. My producer had no job. My director had no job, no insurance, no nothing. And I woke up and our fans showed up and they took care of us. And because of that, now in the six months since then, now I bought this house and build in the

Starting point is 03:22:18 studio and we're figuring out all other ways to make deals and all that kind of stuff. And it's, but I still wake up sometimes. This is my point was I still wake up sometimes. I'm like, wait a minute. Do I have to answer to somebody? Like I have a feeling. It's just a feeling, you know, like, wow, I can't believe this. I, I make the decision here.

Starting point is 03:22:35 Well, kind of a way like that, that hunger, that, that, you know, that fear that to take that chance and to do things. That's like one of the best things you could ever have in life because it's the motivator. If you're not like a woe is me, I'm always going to be a loser. If you're a person who really tries to do something, risk-taking is so goddamn critical because it forces you to action

Starting point is 03:22:56 and it forces you to be inspired and to get fired up and that's when things really take place. Yeah, it really is. And that's one of the things that Scott Adams has said sort of about the election is that there's such chaos now. But whatever happens after out of chaos, something new will happen. May not be good immediately.

Starting point is 03:23:13 May not be bad. We don't know what that will be. But the chaos, the chance, the risk will now allow for something else to happen. So all these people who, you know, all these pundits who got everything wrong for the last year and oh, it's gonna be Rubio It's gonna be the cruise, but yeah It's like they'll now tell you everything else that there's gonna happen for the next year and they're gonna get all that wrong But out of chaos something happens and that's what I realized I had a path I had a salary and I was doing fine and I liked working at aura and Larry King's been great to me and it was all

Starting point is 03:23:40 Good, but I just had this feeling of like I got to try this. I got to try this. I'd be in a very different position if it didn't work, you know? Yeah. You don't want to be that guy who just wishes they took that chance and you're still working for some company and they still treat you like sh*t. I mean, because you know, that's, you know, that in that sense, you're the person making the phones. You're not the person with the idea and the person with the idea, especially if you're a smart guy, like you you are like it's you do yourself a disservice if you don't express yourself completely fully and and without any reserve or any reservations and when you work for someone you always have a reservation you're always worried man you're always you're always

Starting point is 03:24:20 like biting your tongue or flavoring your words or you know they come into your office and go dave you've been really hard on clinton i think it's really important mike you know the the produce uh producer is a he's got hashtag i'm with her on his twitter account and we just wanted you to just think about doing that like criticize her if you choose to but be balanced yeah be balanced you're being real like you're being silly but you're also being real because that is that is the real sh*t that's going on Hashtag I'm with her. Yeah, you got it the hashtag Jeanette The president of the company is gonna come down and talk to you about a lot of the things you said

Starting point is 03:24:52 I don't know it necessarily disagree Yeah I've been kind of misogynist, you know And maybe just a little bit unsupportive of women's issues and this company is very progressive and we really feel strongly That's the kind of sh*t that Pete that and you. We're very progressive. So you should think exactly like we do. You have to be Dave Rubin with a mortgage. He's worried about losing his job and that's, that's not good for business. It's not good for thinking. It's not good for humans. It's not good for the business of culture. And I don't mean business, but the, the endeavor, the endeavor of culture, the endeavor of culture

Starting point is 03:25:22 requires like sort of some sort of an open discourse, you know, and that includes sh*t like WikiLeaks. Okay. That's a part of the open discourse. When you tell someone like Chelsea Manning that they can't let anybody know about this horrific sh*t that's going on that you know is illegal. You've, you've set up this sort of a system where you're stopping data from going through, you're stopping people from communicating and you're going to ultimately stop people from Expressing their opinions on what was communicated which is going to stop progress. What are you a Russian hacker? You're sympathy sh*t must be I'm just a pot smoking hippie with no hair All of us are just f*cking people Dave. Yeah, I think that's one of the things that's gonna come out when the dust settles

Starting point is 03:26:04 And we pick a new king or queen We're gonna figure what do you think's gonna happen? Now that we were talking this gonna win and everyone's gonna hate her and it's gonna be record record number of people that are Intolerant and say crazy sh*t and you know and we're gonna have to all figure out a way to get along Do you see any situation where we wake up or tomorrow night that Trump's president? A hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah, I do. I don't think it's going to happen. I would think, I think most likely Hillary's going to win, but I absolutely could see just some giant

Starting point is 03:26:35 f*ck up where the mass media has been lied to by polls and by public opinion. And I don't think necessarily polls are very accurate anymore because I don't think necessarily polls are very accurate anymore because I don't think people choose to take polls very often. They mostly call landlines. When's the last time you had a landline? Exactamundo. I had a joke about that in my last special. Like, maybe you're dealing with 1%. Like the problem with polls is the people who answer polls. That's the problem. Have you ever been polled? Ever? Never. Exactly. Exactly. So it's a weird thing that we're doing here where we're basing that Who answer polls yeah, that's the problem have you ever been polled ever never yeah exactly exactly?

Starting point is 03:27:05 So it's it's a weird thing that we're doing here where we're basing that on polls exit polls are different It's a little bit different, but that was way off During with Al Gore yeah, I mean they predicted Al Gore to be what apparently he was like the popular winner right when he won the popular vote yeah Why doesn't he run f*ck's going on? I'm'm not a huge i know it's very cool to say you like al gore i'm not an al gore guy i feel you know you know what al gore did he uh he created current television right and then that you know then eventually when he it was a failure as a network it was purging money right and then he had a choice he could see you had a couple offers on

Starting point is 03:27:42 the table could have sold it to glenn beck but I guess it doesn't like Glenn's back politics. That's fine. He sold it to Al Jazeera, which is owned by the government of Qatar that puts out more fossil fuel, oil, garbage, the same stuff that he rails against all day long. And he sold him that.

Starting point is 03:27:56 So he basically did the producers. He used all his, all of his connections and money as vice president to get a network on the air. Cause it's incredibly hard to get into the cable system. So he used all his president to get a network on the air because it's incredibly hard to get into the cable system so he used all his leverage to get there created a failure and he walked away i think with 500 million dollars and it was all funded sold it to qatar and it was in many ways funded by his humanitarian campaign to alert the world the dangers of global warming

Starting point is 03:28:20 that was what gave him credibility so that's a cosby situation right there. It's a Cosby, you'll see. And on that note, we're gonna wrap it up with that. Dave Rubin, that was just three and a half hours. Holy sh*t. Yeah. I honestly had no idea. I have no when I'm on stage or when I'm doing my show, I have no sense of time. Don't do three and a half hour shows, man. People get pissed.

Starting point is 03:28:39 They look at their watch. What was the longest one? Was it Sam, four hours? What's your longest one? Oh, I don't know, man. Five and a half for Fight Companions. No sh*t. Yeah, we've done some long f*cking podcasts in here. I can't shut the f*ck up. It's a good job for me.

Starting point is 03:28:54 Listen, I am now going to publicly, you've already agreed to do it, but I'm publicly, you gotta come on my show. I'll do it. I know you will, but now a little guilt at the end. We've had a nice report here.

Starting point is 03:29:03 It was a great conversation. Thank you very much, sir. And'll do it. A little guilt at the end. We've had a nice report here. It's been a great conversation. Thank you very much, sir. And how do people get your podcast? Where can they go? YouTube.com slash RubenReport. RubenReport.com. You know, RubenReport on Twitter. We're on the iTunes.

Starting point is 03:29:14 It's my branding guy's pretty good. It's all there. RubenReport, you motherf*ckers. Respect. All right. We'll see you soon. Bye. Thanks, brother.

Starting point is 03:29:20 Thank you. No kidding.