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Now, I'll try to make this short because I have a life.

I said Decianus is credited to the decision he made: Which is allowing large numbers of Redguards in the Hammerfell Legions to be discharged from Imperial Legion. I was talking about crediting him for THIS and I talk about the Forgotten Hero gave him the JUST credits in his impeccable role in helping stop the Aldmeri Dominion from utterly erasing your Imperial Legion from the face of Tamriel with the Culling is to show that the Imperial Legion is not the One and only Lord and Savior who can stand up against the Dominion's armies.

You talk about 'Creation by a modder' But it is in the latest Skyrim Anniversary version as a quest. So this is more canon than your fake claims. Oh, or you didn't know it is in the latest OFFICIAL version in the game?

The fact that you've actually recognized the 'unused' dialogue between Tullius and Elenwen as evidence that Ulfric is a Thalmor Spy in the past, yet you refuse to acknowledge this yet but thinks its dubious if Tullius and Rikke had that dialogue

Worse of all, you are trying to dishonestly spin the tale around from "Trading blows with the Rebels like this" and this is costing lives of both imperial loyalists and Skyrim citizens.

If it was coming from someone who has never experienced war, yes, you can ignore it unless they gave an actual number and it's really serious. But coming from Rikke, a veteran who went through the Great War? Yeah, I'm extremely sure I will take her word over yours. Everyone else should too.

Now regarding Ulfric and Galmar's dialogue

Ulfric: "Is there any news from High Rock?"

Galmar: "Not a peep. Those prissy Bretons can't be made to lift a finger to help their neighbors."

Ulfric: "I suppose we shouldn't be surprised. They've never had many problems with the Empire."

Galmar: "Those milk-drinkers? Might as well be elves. Think they're better than us.

"Ulfric: "Regardless, it appears Skyrim must stand alone, again."

After Galmar said the Bretons can't be made to lift a finger to help their neighbors, Ulfric said they never had many problems with the Empire.

This means, the dialogue is regarding Ulfric sending messengers to ask help from High Rock against the Empire.

There are two extremely serious issues with this. Ulfric no matter how you want to defame him. He is no fool. He wouldn't even think of trying to form an alliance with High Rock if its allegiance is still firmly with the Empire. It simply doesn't make sense.

Second point further confirms that High Rock is now rethinking its allegiance to the Empire. There's no such things as High Rock is not obliged or it is weakened or any of your excuses.

(PS: I never said the Stormcloaks were able to stop the Imperial reinforcements at Pale Pass. If there was, I probably mistyped. This is very obvious from my other unpleasant dialogue with you that I know it is an avalanche or it could be your dishonest attempt to discredit me. Something you are not above)

My point: Empire... Emperor saw fit to SEND the reinforcements in order to put the rebellion down quickly. This is very obvious that the Emperor is not interested in finding out if his General and the Legion in Skyrim can put down the Stormcloaks rebellion without reinforcements, he just wants the rebellion to go down quickly!

So reinforcements is a necessity. Therefore, regardless if the Stormcloaks were winning (taking Imperial supporting cities) on their own credit or with LDB's help. IF the Imperials were losing, I'm very sure, the Emperor will not wait for the pale pass to clear for the reinforcements to arrive in Skyrim.

Since there was no mention in Pale Pass clearing progress, rather than waiting for something they do not know, the Emperor might as well order High Rock to send reinforcements!

Every Province has Imperial Legions that were recruited locally. Moreover, unless it was taken by Stormcloaks or given in Season Unending, Markarth can act as a Base for High Rock reinforcements because High Rock is a part of the Empire and it has obligations to help defend the Empire if it gets taken by foreign power.

A common argument Stormcloaks vs Imperials is same as Crowns and Forebears Civil War. WRONG. Neither Crowns nor Forebears were trying to break away from the Empire. Stormcloaks ARE trying to break away from the Empire.

Therefore, High Rock by all definition has the obligation to send reinforcements into Skyrim to help the Imperials just like it did to Hammerfell during Great War.

This blatant ignore of obligation WHEN the Stormcloaks were overwhelming the Imperials during the Civil War questline placed a shade over High Rock's allegiance to the Empire.

Oh, High Rock and the Bretons living there are definitely rethinking their alliance.

As for your claim that just because they were in war before, they can never join forces against a more serious threat... it happens so often in real life and in TES lore, do you really want me to treat you like an idiot and list some of them out?

As for your laughable use of southern Hammerfell being destroyed as a result of the fighting. It happened 21 years before events of Skyrim.

Even more laughable is Stros M'Kai not being a part of Hammerfell 'mainland' and how there are still 'Thalmor' there. Stros m'Kai is a f*cking property of the Crowns, whose collective territories with Forebears form Hammerfell.

The 2nd Treaty states withdraw ALL its forces from Hammerfell. This includes Stros m'Kai and NO! Before you pull anymore bullsh*t out of your ass, the same goes for HERNE, CESPAR and any other islands 'not' a part of your 'Mainland' Hammerfell. There's no evidence or any hints that there are still any lands that the Thalmor owns in Hammerfell.

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